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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying beast has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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all right welcome fade to black

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for

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tonight's gonna be one of those shows

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it's tuesday march 19 2019

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78 days into the new year just 287

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days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south

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far and near this is fade to black

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for kjcr the game changer network and kg

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ra the planet i am your host jimmy

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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i am

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riz burke is here

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we're going to be talking about his new

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the simulation hypothesis

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so buckle up kiddies

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seriously

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tomorrow night

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jj and desiree her talk are here

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they've got a new book out too it's

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called giza's industrial complex

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that's right

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gas and electricity in ancient egypt

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it's going to be a great conversation

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thursday night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long now

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you can follow me on twitter at j church

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radio facebook youtube everything is

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jimmy church or fade to black over to

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like and subscribe right there

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earlier today i will just say this

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really quick earlier today i posted over

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at on stellar

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saying that i am leaving the platform

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and indeed i am

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okay i am preparing a statement for

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everybody that will be published and

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then i will read it on the show uh

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tomorrow night but i have left on

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stellar and

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then you know you just leave something

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that you started right and it's it's not

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about that i'm not abandoning everybody

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it's just that we can no longer be

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associated with on stellar

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and

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morals

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and and other things okay and we will

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always on fade to black

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uh rita myself this network and

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everybody that is associated with it

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it's the community first and we always

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run on the right side of the fence

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and that is that and so i will prepare

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something

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and get it out there for all of you

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so now that that is cleared up not

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but it will be soon

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all right there you go uh let's see

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church radio is what you want to do

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at j

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church radio on twitter

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f2b is the sandbox hashtag f2b is where

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you want to uh post your questions and

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tonight for myself or rizz post it right

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there hashtag f2bq

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that's the number two by the way

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f2bq fade to blackquestions hashtag f2b

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is the sandbox we've got an amazing show

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lined up uh

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and i'm going to get to all of that in

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just a bit any questions or comments

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for this show tonight too you can also

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jimmy

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breaking news a u.s jury today

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are you ready

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found buyer agees glyphosate based

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roundup weed killer

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cause cancer a blow to the company eight

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months after another jury issued a 289

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million dollar verdict over similar

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claims in a different case

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the case was only the second

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are you ready

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of around 11

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200 round-up lawsuits to go to trial in

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the united states this is only number

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two

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another california man was awarded 289

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million in august

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after a state uh court jury found

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roundup caused his cancer sending buyer

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shares plunging at the time that award

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was later reduced to 78 million dollars

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well we knew it right you know what's

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you know what's funny

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uh today i was uh in our front lawn

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and we've got a few dandelions

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right they're right there

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and normally you're tempted right that's

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you know i guess the dandelions are just

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gonna grow you gotta pull them out you

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know we gotta pull weeds gotta go

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old-fashioned style

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but uh you know it was just so funny

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i i thought you know what little

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just grow

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flourish take over the front lawn

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but i'm not spraying roundup uh uh i

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haven't done it when all of the roundup

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um years ago was about 10 years ago nine

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i think i sprayed roundup once

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and then i saw

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the documentary about the family with

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the uh with the back patio i don't know

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if you guys remember that but that was

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it i haven't uh

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haven't done it didn't i didn't throw it

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away by the way i didn't it's uh just

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sitting in in our garage i i couldn't

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to throw it in a trash dump right and to

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just throw it away i don't know what to

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do with it what do you do what do you do

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happy birthday to today bruce willis

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is 64. and it used to be

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with bruce

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you would think of you know hans gruber

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right okay so you had a new year's eve

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you had

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uh those kind of things you know what

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but with bruce you know where i go now

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you know where i go

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12 monkeys

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i swear

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that movie is so great and that's when

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you know and it's not anything else with

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bru i go 12 monkeys

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happy birthday to bruce willis all right

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okay on this day in history

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sad day we need a moment of silence

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please in 1982

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guitar master randy rhodes

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is killed in an airplane crash in

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leesburg florida when their

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and uh they were at the tourbros tour

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bus company's uh headquarters to repair

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and so forth

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and then took a couple passes and then

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the third pass hit the bus

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crashed into a house and they died

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instantly and it was a tragic day

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all right so there you go on this day in

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1982 fader fact

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you are as old as the universe

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you

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because matter

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cannot be created

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or destroyed

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you need to think about that i remember

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i'm so fascinated with the subject

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stardust right

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stardust

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that

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and i've said it a few times before but

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if you look

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your left hand

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and your right hand

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are made from two different stars

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think about that for a second

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that's happening i mean that's just

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that's just a heavy thought when you

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think about it

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well that's that's a

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matter cannot be created or destroyed

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all of this

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are as old as the universe

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think about that tonight resverk is here

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we're going to talk about his new book

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and the simulation hypothesis

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tomorrow night it is jj and desiree her

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talk

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and their new book giza's industrial

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complex thursday is another fader night

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with open lines all night long now i'm

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excited about tonight's show

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this show

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is about

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20 years in the making

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because the film the matrix came out in

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1999 and i remember very clearly uh

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back then i remember

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that up until the week of the release of

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the movie

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i hadn't heard anything about it

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and i am such a movie guy and i would

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get to l.a weekly

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and i'm always you know waiting for some

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crazy movie to come out and you know

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just something cool and i was just

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always in their movie reviews and

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across the street from the the the house

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there in sherman oaks we had a really

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nice movie theater right there and

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and uh right so that's it you know i was

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always looking and and sometimes uh you

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know i plan for things a month or two in

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advance because you know something big

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was coming out and the matrix snuck up

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on me

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and i had gotten out like the la weekly

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and uh

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and i see this review for this movie

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called the matrix and it was like the

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day before

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it started playing at the local theater

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across the street

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and

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although at the time i didn't fully

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grasp what the review was trying to say

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about the film and i'm pretty sure

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that the reviewer

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at the time didn't really understand

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what the film was about anyway right but

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i knew

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i could tell that it was something that

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i wanted to see special effects and

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keanu reeves in the future and

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and there was probably some mention of

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alternate reality and and you know it

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was supposed to be so high-tech and

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well-produced and i was like okay all

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right

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and then it's playing like the next day

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so i go

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and and watch it

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and i remember very vividly

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that i left the theater impressed

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but i was impressed about the special

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effects

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mostly right and

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the other thing because i'm such a film

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guy

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was i i was very impressed that i

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couldn't figure out what the movie was

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about

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right

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i was like that is it that was deep

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and i didn't understand why

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i couldn't figure out the meaning of the

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film

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i knew it was much deeper than you know

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like neo-dodging bullets you know and

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slo-mo you know and all of that stuff

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but there was something else there so i

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went back that week two or three times

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to see it again

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and each time i took different friends

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and i had to do that because you can't

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take the same friend to the same movie

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over and over and over again and

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nobody's going to want to do that so

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i invited other friends and and told

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them i was going to go see the movie

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again and i did and slowly i got it

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and

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speak for everybody out there but i

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didn't get the film i didn't get it

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i mean i would i knew i enjoyed the

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story and i enjoyed the action and the

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special effects but i was trying to get

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to the meaning of the film you see

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here's the thing

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through that whole period of the 90s

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i was really into gaming i still am i

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just don't have the time to game

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if you uh ever get a chance uh maybe one

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day you know right and

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if you ever get it

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in uh in my bedroom right next to the tv

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is a playstation 4 sitting right there

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haven't fired it up in six months

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but uh it's it's there it's it's you

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know i've got all the all the

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controllers and all the things but but i

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just don't have the time to game like i

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used to but in the 90s

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i was really into gaming

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and this is this is the trip with

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serious gaming and if you have

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gamed you know exactly what i'm talking

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about if you haven't gamed

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this may sound a little bit strange

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but

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the more that you play

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you find that when you have to go out

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into the real world

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you find that you're still in the game

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you do you you it it takes

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it takes a while for your brain to

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adjust it's a really trippy thing to go

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00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:12,880
through and all gamers do it

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you know if you if you go through a

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six-hour run

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and you've got to leave to go get food

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you got to go leave to go do something

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you got to go meet people you got you

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know you have to leave the house

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you're in the

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game it takes a while

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the adjustment of your brain

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is such that you see things in the world

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around you that are

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relative back to the game that you were

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playing

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and then when you get back home let's

452
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say you get you you adjust you're back

453
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:54,160
into the real world you're hearing

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people talk and you're engaging in

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conversation it's all good then you get

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back home

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00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:01,360
and you

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00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:04,160
fired up your computer right or your

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playstation whatever

460
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,160
and you're right back into that world

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00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,559
it's a trippy thing and it's a

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00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,799
comforting thing

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00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:16,320
when you're gaming

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00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,799
that you get back into it you get back

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into the world and

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and all of the the you know all the

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players and all of the things that

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00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:26,080
you're interacting with and the things

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00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:29,039
that you it it's comforting and i

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understood that

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i got it

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and it was some time later you know when

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i started to it was one thing to

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understand what the matrix was about

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00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,160
right okay

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00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:45,360
it's another thing when the realization

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of what the matrix

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00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:49,120
and neo were about

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the real subject matter everything

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00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,559
changes

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it does

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there was something going on and it's

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not that the matrix was first to cover

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this

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it's it's not about that because we've

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experienced that in science fiction

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00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:09,600
forever

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and and also mythology but

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but

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you know if you think about uh

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uh

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well anyway

493
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before i go two sideways

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when i got the realization of what was

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happening with the matrix i went out and

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i bought when it

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first was released

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uh because at that time there was a

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tower records at literally uh across my

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driveway from my house in sherman oaks

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tower video

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i got the dvd

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right with all the bonus the bonus the

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making of the matrix the second dvd

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and the director's cut and all that

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stuff

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and i watched it over and over and over

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00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:58,880
again i went through a matrix insanity

509
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:01,280
not only the whole movie because i would

510
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:03,039
do that too

511
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,280
but i started watching specific scenes

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i was understanding the meaning of the

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matrix and i would transcribe them

514
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i would sit there on my laptop

515
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:19,440
and watch these scenes over and over

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00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:22,720
again and i would get the transcription

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absolutely word perfect every comma and

518
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period and thing

519
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and and i would study

520
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,400
i would absorb the movie by reading my

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transcription which turned out to be the

522
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,880
script i would read that while the movie

523
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:38,799
was playing in the background and i just

524
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:41,919
i got it inside of my head

525
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,480
right i literally studied them

526
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,480
and when you go through this type of

527
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:50,960
immersion into a subject

528
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:54,000
it will consume you and the matrix did

529
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:55,280
for me

530
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:58,480
this was when i literally started to ask

531
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questions

532
00:22:03,070 --> 00:22:01,760
about the world around us

533
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:03,080
not about

534
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:07,120
conspiracies or ufos and time travel

535
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,200
i'm talking about what is reality

536
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,919
that whole red pill blue pill

537
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,440
scene

538
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,679
when you break that down and the

539
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:19,600
implications and the heaviness of that

540
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,480
scene today we understand it we all know

541
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,400
about being red pilled and we know about

542
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,400
uh the words that were spoken and we

543
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,039
understand that scene but back then

544
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,480
nobody did

545
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,120
we were absorbing it and we were getting

546
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,679
to the heaviness of what was actually

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being presented in the film

548
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,240
right but i got it i got it and and that

549
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:45,440
being uh combined with the gaming that i

550
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was doing

551
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,760
and the reality of what the matrix was

552
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,520
suggesting to us

553
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,440
it changed for me

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00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:56,159
and at the time because today it's a

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00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,600
different world

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00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,200
at the time

557
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,760
i thought i was the only one thinking

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00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,120
like this

559
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:05,039
okay

560
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,320
i i i really did and i was uncomfortable

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00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,799
with discussing these subjects it was a

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00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,080
movie

563
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,840
i was uncomfortable with discussing the

564
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,000
heaviness of the matrix with my friends

565
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:20,240
because i didn't want people going dude

566
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,520
what

567
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,720
right

568
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:24,559
it's just a movie man

569
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:28,480
it's just a movie but in the early 2000s

570
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,200
many started to suggest the same thing

571
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and what happened next

572
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:37,520
i started to to research this and i

573
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,679
started to research scientific papers

574
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,039
and physicist

575
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,000
and and what the the simulation

576
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:46,880
hypothesis really was

577
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,000
and it it it started to confirm a lot of

578
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,799
things and here we are today about uh

579
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,039
tonight resverk is with us

580
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,000
and uh probably

581
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,320
three years ago

582
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:02,240
silicon valley started to flip on its

583
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head

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00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,080
and and qubits and

585
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,080
uh quantum computing

586
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,320
uh started to become a reality

587
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,520
and when the talk of quantum computing

588
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:15,840
this is where all of this ties together

589
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:18,960
and it gets really scary the thought of

590
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,159
of quantum computing started to get

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00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,240
around the tech world and we were trying

592
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,039
to understand really what quantum was

593
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,320
and when you go from a 486 chip and you

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know and you start to to go through the

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different stages of what computers are

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00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,679
processing power 33 megahertz bus speeds

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and all of that from the old days and

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where we are today

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00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,360
all right and and and quantum computing

600
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,120
comes into the mix we didn't understand

601
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:46,799
it now today we do

602
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:49,840
silicon valley did understand what

603
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:53,440
quantum computing and and quantum theory

604
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:56,320
and quantum mechanics actually means

605
00:25:03,269 --> 00:24:58,840
and then the suggestion started to come

606
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,279
out are we living in a simulation

607
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,360
and then the references going back to

608
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,880
the matrix

609
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:09,440
are everywhere now it's part of pop

610
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:10,400
culture

611
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:12,880
it wasn't always that way

612
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,240
for me it took about two years

613
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,400
of watching the matrix over and over

614
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,400
again and looking at the world around us

615
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:23,120
combined with the reality i was

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connecting with

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uh in in video games

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00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,760
tonight resverk is here

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and we are going to uh

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go through not only each one of these

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but like i said i'm not the only one

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00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,240
talking like this

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00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,559
rizz just released a book

624
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,039
that when you read it it discusses

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00:25:47,470 --> 00:25:44,960
everything uh

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00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:47,480
of the road that i just traveled since

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1999 and it's exciting that today we

628
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:53,760
find ourselves discussing this very

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00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,039
subject is it scary is it any different

630
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,120
if you think about it the scene in the

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matrix right

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00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,720
uh i know

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00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,360
that the meat is juicy

634
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,080
right but it's not real

635
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,559
if you think about that

636
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,320
that's where we are today

637
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:14,640
it's crazy what's the difference it

638
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,480
doesn't matter would it matter to you

639
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,039
think about that tonight resverk

640
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:24,000
tomorrow night jj and desiree hertock

641
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,120
are here

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thursday night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long great

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646
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through are all of my favorite subjects

647
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:39,679
and you get to ride along with me it's

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an amazing time to be on this show

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00:26:47,310 --> 00:26:45,120
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your host jimmy church email is jimmy

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what's up chris what up this is jimmy

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all right welcome back fade to black i

745
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,640
am your host jimmy church tonight rizwan

746
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,640
rizzberg

747
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,360
successful entrepreneur angel investor

748
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,440
best selling author video game industry

749
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,080
pioneer and independent film producer

750
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,480
riz currently runs bay view labs and

751
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,039
play labs at mit

752
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,600
a startup accelerator held on campus at

753
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,360
the massachusetts institute of

754
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,720
technology

755
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,200
riz received a bs in computer science

756
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:31,600
and engineering from mit and an ms and

757
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,960
management from stanford's gsb

758
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,799
riza's many startups have created

759
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,799
products used by thousands of enterprise

760
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,399
customers and his games have been

761
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,039
downloaded millions of times including

762
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,320
tap fish bingo run penny dreadful that's

763
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:48,960
right and grim by the way cards of fate

764
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,159
riz uh is a prolific silicon valley

765
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,480
angel investor having invested in many

766
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,720
startups including tap joy telltale

767
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,760
games discord fanzio pocket gems moon

768
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,679
express and many others he has to

769
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,000
produce a bunch of independent films too

770
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,200
including turquoise rose thrive what on

771
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,440
earth will it take he did serious and

772
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,200
also the cult classic

773
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:13,760
knights of badassdom starring our

774
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,159
favorite peter dinklage tonight we're

775
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,320
going to discuss his latest book the

776
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,799
simulation hypothesis drawing from

777
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,640
research and concepts from computer

778
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,480
science artificial intelligence video

779
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,159
games and quantum physics and

780
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:28,880
referencing both speculative fiction and

781
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,919
ancient eastern spiritual text riz will

782
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,039
tell us

783
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,200
how all of these traditions come

784
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:37,840
together to point to the idea that we

785
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,279
may be inside a simulated reality

786
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,760
just like the matrix i'd like to welcome

787
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:46,240
back to fade to black resverk rizz how

788
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:47,600
are you man

789
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:48,799
hi jimmy

790
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,039
doing well glad to be back well you know

791
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,360
you would think when the intro music uh

792
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,159
comes in that you're all pumped up are

793
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,000
you are you pumped up does the music get

794
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,679
you excited

795
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,600
yeah absolutely and your story of

796
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,000
watching the matrix how many times it

797
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,600
also got me excited well you did the

798
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,240
same thing i know you did riz

799
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,720
yeah yep i looked up the dialogue and

800
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,320
was amazed at you know some of the

801
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,960
things that morpheus you know lawrence

802
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,440
fishburne was saying to neo and as i

803
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,520
looked further and further into this

804
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,919
you know it was it was a direct parallel

805
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,679
on it um actually you know there was an

806
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,599
interesting story about

807
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:27,919
this book and morpheus that happened

808
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,320
just last month and i wasn't there but i

809
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,560
heard about it what happened from so you

810
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,560
know jacques valley who

811
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,359
you know is a ufo researcher was part of

812
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,440
project blue book and uh

813
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,359
you know has been investigating uh

814
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,839
paranormal phenomenon for years uh he's

815
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,359
he's excited about this book because

816
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:47,119
he's a computer scientist by background

817
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,720
i think he was like the first person at

818
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:51,119
nasa to map out mars and computer screen

819
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,720
so he was in

820
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,879
big sur giving a workshop and he put a

821
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,879
couple slides up about my book and about

822
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,560
the simulation hypothesis and how

823
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:01,440
everything is information and then they

824
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,880
you know the session ended and they went

825
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,280
to lunch there in big sur

826
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,119
and who did they find at lunch but

827
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,160
lawrence fishberg oh shut up okay

828
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,560
so i heard about it from uh from jacques

829
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,560
and from diana pasulka you know who

830
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,800
wrote american cosmic afterwards saying

831
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,000
that was an interesting little

832
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,599
synchronicity that happened around this

833
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,320
book in the matrix that's a trippy thing

834
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,920
that's when you know things like that

835
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,400
happen you just need to step back and

836
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,720
well enjoy the moment but understand

837
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,280
that things are not what they seem man

838
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:33,760
they just are not that's a crazy

839
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,960
synchronicity right there

840
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,480
yeah it's pretty unusual and it's funny

841
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:40,240
because i think the first time i was on

842
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,680
your show i was talking about

843
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,040
synchronicity

844
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,040
and clues and you know we were using the

845
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,680
term glitches in the matrix

846
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,599
for how these things are are often

847
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:51,119
related to each other in the real world

848
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:52,240
and then i think the second time i was

849
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,440
on your show we were talking about

850
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,880
killer ai

851
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,400
and now we're kind of bringing it all

852
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,079
together you know as we talk about the

853
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:00,720
simulation hypothesis so it's good quite

854
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,160
an interesting uh mix of of topics it is

855
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:07,599
it is and for for somebody like you riz

856
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:11,040
that you you get well you're you're

857
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,839
supposed to get i should say uh you're

858
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,839
supposed to understand software and

859
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,560
computers and technology and it's what

860
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:20,640
you do you know certainly with gaming

861
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,000
and investing and apps and and what

862
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:26,480
silicon valley is about you know also

863
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,680
mit

864
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:30,480
that you have a grip of what is going on

865
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:31,800
when the

866
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,160
suggestion uh started to surface uh not

867
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,920
not going back to the matrix i'm talking

868
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:39,359
about today

869
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,240
where different scientists and engineers

870
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,599
around the world

871
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,000
and ceos are talking about

872
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,560
a real possibility stephen hawking for

873
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,040
instance right start you know where they

874
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:53,440
start referencing the possibility of us

875
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,480
living in a simulation

876
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:58,000
did that

877
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,119
you know

878
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,920
how do you start to accept that

879
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,599
in that you know what i mean you're

880
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,119
supposed to be smart and you're you're

881
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,680
not supposed to go down that rabbit hole

882
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,160
but yet others are around you in this

883
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,400
industry

884
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,920
yeah you know i think it's become a

885
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,160
pretty popular topic within silicon

886
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,880
valley and it's become a serious subject

887
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,280
for physicists

888
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,000
and for philosophers and scientists i

889
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,079
mean it used to be viewed as purely

890
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,839
science fiction right and you know we'll

891
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,280
talk about some of the science fiction

892
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,359
references with philip k dick you know

893
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,680
in addition to the matrix itself uh but

894
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,440
it's taken much more seriously now and i

895
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,040
think there's two big

896
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:38,560
reasons why

897
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,359
uh

898
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,760
one is there was a paper published by a

899
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,079
philosopher at oxford nick bostrom

900
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,079
called are you living in a simulation

901
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,760
and he did a statistical argument we'll

902
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,760
get more into that in a little bit later

903
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,520
but then the second reason is that video

904
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,520
game technology has been developing at

905
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,359
such a rapid pace

906
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,920
over the past decades that we're getting

907
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,160
better and better fidelity and what

908
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,480
we're realizing is we're we're creating

909
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,040
models of the physical world inside the

910
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,520
video game and the more we do this the

911
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:09,839
more we realize that that the physical

912
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,680
world can be represented as information

913
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,520
right and so you know my background is

914
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,440
in computer science and

915
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,359
a lot of the history of video games and

916
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,880
computer science you know i started

917
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,440
programming on a apple ii computer you

918
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,119
know way back when i think i built

919
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,920
tic-tac-toe as my very first game ever

920
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:29,040
and

921
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,839
is all about optimization you're trying

922
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,200
to squeeze

923
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,440
as much performance as you can

924
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,560
out of the cpu and then later gpus were

925
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:41,760
developed

926
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,320
you know in fact a lot of the history of

927
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,560
computer software is the history of

928
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:49,200
video games you know the first ai

929
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,560
practical ai that was ever really

930
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,880
developed was a chess playing computer

931
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,119
uh developed by uh claude shannon who's

932
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,599
a professor at mit and a researcher at

933
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:00,240
bell labs and they consider to be the

934
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:03,520
father of information science so and a

935
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:05,119
lot of the optimizations that have been

936
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:06,000
done

937
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,520
there were so many pixels that had to be

938
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,720
rendered

939
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,160
that you had to have better and better

940
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,480
processors and so gpus which are used

941
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,160
now for everything from

942
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,320
you know simulating environments to

943
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,640
video games to blockchain to everything

944
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,880
else you know the graphics processing

945
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,800
units were developed in order to play

946
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,560
video games so

947
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,240
really video games are all about

948
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,960
optimization and as

949
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:32,960
the representation or fidelity has

950
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,119
gotten better and better

951
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,359
in video games this idea that we might

952
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,200
actually be inside the simulation

953
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,280
started to be taken more seriously

954
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,200
i'll tell you a story about my own

955
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:45,359
my conversion experience if you will

956
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,400
yeah i mean i've been thinking about

957
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,000
this for a long time

958
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:50,960
but it wasn't until virtual reality

959
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:53,359
uh really started to take off

960
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,240
over the last couple of years that i

961
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:57,839
started to say okay now we can see a

962
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,800
direct path from today's technology

963
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,440
to something like the matrix and so i

964
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,119
was playing a um

965
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,359
a ping pong game table tennis game with

966
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,040
the virtual reality glasses it was a

967
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:12,079
firm in silicon valley up in sausalito

968
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:14,320
and so i was using the controllers and i

969
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,520
was playing ping pong against an

970
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,599
imaginary opponent and it was so

971
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,760
realistic i was so immersed

972
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,839
with the way the glasses were and and

973
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,119
the way the

974
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:24,800
responsiveness

975
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,359
to my movements were that at the end of

976
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,920
the game i decided okay i'm going to put

977
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,480
the paddle down on the table and i'm

978
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,240
going to lean against the table

979
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,920
and what happened of course there was no

980
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:37,839
paddle it's just a controller and there

981
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,720
was no table did you fall over fell on

982
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,480
the floor and i almost fell on the floor

983
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,560
myself and that's when i realized that

984
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,800
immersion was was starting to get to the

985
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:49,119
point where we could fool ourselves

986
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,800
and we could fool our bodies and our

987
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,880
minds into thinking we were somewhere

988
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,400
that we really weren't so that was one

989
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,800
of my conversion experiences that i had

990
00:41:02,790 --> 00:40:58,960
around this this topic i i

991
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,800
i got so into and so did rita uh we got

992
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:05,359
so into sims

993
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,720
i mean really into sims and we're

994
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:10,240
downloading

995
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,280
uh

996
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,839
furniture and houses and and you know

997
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:15,680
and inserting that stuff into the game

998
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:18,319
well anyway you get so into sims and

999
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,000
then go to a furniture store like ikea

1000
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:24,720
and walk around and your head is so

1001
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,280
twisted up everywhere you look you're

1002
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,440
looking at furniture from the sims and

1003
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,359
you're thinking about your house that

1004
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,760
you're building in sims and you're

1005
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,599
looking at the people walking around

1006
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,359
inside of ikea

1007
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:40,560
like the people that walk around in sims

1008
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,520
it's a twisted thought but unless you've

1009
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,040
gone through

1010
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,160
your table tennis experience or gone

1011
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,000
through an experience like with sims

1012
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,160
where you're fully immersed you don't

1013
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,000
really get it but you start to

1014
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:56,480
understand that a virtual world can be

1015
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,400
created and you can live in it

1016
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,160
yeah absolutely and in fact you know

1017
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,400
they've done research that shows

1018
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,319
that if you have a virtual character

1019
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:07,920
smile at you

1020
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:11,599
that produces a very similar reaction to

1021
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,560
a biochemical reaction to if someone was

1022
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,359
really smiling at you and so the the

1023
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:19,280
lines start to blur

1024
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,880
between the virtual world and the real

1025
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,319
world and you know i didn't spend as

1026
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:24,240
much time with sims but but you know i

1027
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,680
know about that and i used to spend time

1028
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,400
in second life which was also a shared

1029
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,880
virtual world and you would go in and

1030
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,560
people would create all kinds of

1031
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,400
structures within this world

1032
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,560
and those structures would live you know

1033
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,480
while they logged out and other people

1034
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,880
would log in and i remember thinking to

1035
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,319
myself well what happens to these

1036
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,599
structures when nobody is logged in

1037
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,760
are they actually there or not

1038
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,760
and so then i started to get into the

1039
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:51,760
philosophical side

1040
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,119
of what is a shared online world in an

1041
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:58,560
mmorpg like does it actually exist

1042
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,520
somewhere or is it just information

1043
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,079
stored on a cloud server

1044
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,560
and the rendered world and this is a

1045
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,720
term i use a lot in the book both for

1046
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:10,480
video games and for the world we see

1047
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,200
around us

1048
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,599
the world is only rendered on my

1049
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,480
computer by my local processor right

1050
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,720
therefore the pixels of that world don't

1051
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,640
actually exist somewhere that we're all

1052
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,480
looking at them

1053
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,480
so if you and i are logged into the sims

1054
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:28,240
online or second life or world of

1055
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:29,520
warcraft

1056
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,319
right

1057
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:32,640
we think we're seeing the same thing

1058
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,119
right and the information may be similar

1059
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,440
but it's being rendered by algorithms on

1060
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,839
our own computers and so that's an

1061
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,400
interesting philosophical question

1062
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:44,640
and i think it's something that that if

1063
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:47,200
you think seriously about it we'll talk

1064
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,800
about quantum physics you know a little

1065
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,119
bit later but it starts to get into this

1066
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,520
idea of quantum indeterminacy and a

1067
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,280
subjective world

1068
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,040
i mean they've done research recently

1069
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,280
that suggests that there is no objective

1070
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,839
world in the quantum realms that i could

1071
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,720
be seeing you know three particles uh

1072
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,480
entangled in one way and you could be

1073
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:08,160
see you could be seeing them entangled

1074
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,359
in a different way and we'd be looking

1075
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:12,319
at the same six particles which means

1076
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:13,119
that

1077
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,560
there could be slightly different

1078
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,880
renderings of the world going on and we

1079
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,920
we wouldn't necessarily know that

1080
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,480
because we can only see our rendering of

1081
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,640
the world and so this idea of a

1082
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,200
informational world and a rendered world

1083
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,440
where our character lives uh you know i

1084
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,440
think is one of the the big metaphors

1085
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,640
that i explore in the book and one of

1086
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,280
the big reasons why uh the simulation

1087
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,359
hypothesis should be taken seriously

1088
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,599
well and and that's the science side of

1089
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,000
it today which i want to spend a lot of

1090
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,880
time talking about but the other part is

1091
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,839
it's exactly what when we get out of the

1092
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,160
electronic age or the computer age and

1093
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,720
go backwards where you get into young

1094
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,040
and then start going even before that

1095
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,359
and get into different world religions

1096
00:45:02,309 --> 00:44:57,680
and different aspects this is exactly

1097
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,319
what they have been referencing forever

1098
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,000
yeah in fact you know one of the reasons

1099
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,319
i'm a big fan of the simulation

1100
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,079
hypothesis is that

1101
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,160
science and religion have kind of gone

1102
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,800
their separate ways many times right you

1103
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,640
know a lot of academics and scientists

1104
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,119
don't take religion seriously except as

1105
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,880
a social construct

1106
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,280
they've given up trying to explain any

1107
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,200
of the things that are talked about

1108
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:25,680
you know on the religious side but turns

1109
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,079
out the simulation hypothesis provides a

1110
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:29,839
scientific basis

1111
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,040
for a lot of what different religions

1112
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,359
have been telling us right and it turns

1113
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,359
out it's not just the western religions

1114
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:39,359
but the eastern religions you know they

1115
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,240
both

1116
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,240
fit very well

1117
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:44,480
i mean i i'll give you an example so you

1118
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,839
know um i i grew up in a muslim

1119
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:49,920
household and uh

1120
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,560
the koran being one of the abrahamic

1121
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,800
you know religions with islam judaism

1122
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,359
and christianity they talk about

1123
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,280
the scroll of deeds

1124
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,440
which gets recorded by these recording

1125
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,280
angels and they sit there and they

1126
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:06,240
record every little deed that you do

1127
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,440
and you know this is what they told us

1128
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,880
when we were growing up

1129
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,960
and then later

1130
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,400
after you die

1131
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,480
you have to account for those and turns

1132
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,280
out god shows you those deeds and he

1133
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,599
shows them to you in a different way

1134
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:21,839
because you may not be aware of how your

1135
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,640
actions affected other people and so you

1136
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:26,079
can't just see a list you have to

1137
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,760
actually see what the impact was of

1138
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,960
those deeds

1139
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,200
well just last year i was working with a

1140
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:32,800
startup that could

1141
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,079
render inside a video game

1142
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,800
in 3d from any point inside the game so

1143
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,560
if anyone's played world of warcraft or

1144
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,640
league of legends there's a 3d world and

1145
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,400
normally you can only see your

1146
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,280
character's perspective but we were able

1147
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,520
to put the virtual camera anywhere

1148
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,760
inside the game so you could literally

1149
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,240
see what the game looked like

1150
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,800
from another player's perspective so you

1151
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,280
could see exactly what you did to them

1152
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,520
um and it turns out you know there

1153
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,960
probably aren't

1154
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,200
you know 14 billion angels two for each

1155
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:07,839
of us if all they do is record things

1156
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,640
most likely it would have to be an ai

1157
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,480
of some type that's recording these like

1158
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,640
a screen capture in a video game and

1159
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,119
then you can play it back and so you

1160
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,040
know it turns out that a lot of what the

1161
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,680
world's religions were talking about

1162
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,520
was very similar to the simulation

1163
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,200
hypothesis i mean you had daniel

1164
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,280
brinkley on your show many times and you

1165
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,720
know he and i have talked about this a

1166
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,119
lot and he when he had his near-death

1167
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:33,680
experience you know he was shown a life

1168
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,319
review he called it a panoramic 360 life

1169
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,280
review where you would actually see

1170
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:41,040
the effects of your actions you know if

1171
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,640
you punch someone or you shot someone

1172
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,920
you would see it from their point of

1173
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:45,839
view and the only way to do that is to

1174
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,160
record it in this kind of a 3d way in

1175
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,640
the same way that we use screen capture

1176
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,880
within video games and then to re-render

1177
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,240
it afterwards so it turns out the

1178
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,880
technology of video games

1179
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:59,280
you know explains pretty well you know

1180
00:48:01,430 --> 00:48:00,480
many of the things and that's just one

1181
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,440
example

1182
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:04,400
isn't that i mean couldn't you take like

1183
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:08,240
the example of heaven and earth

1184
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:09,200
where

1185
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:10,880
heaven is

1186
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:13,359
presented as the real world

1187
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,119
right that earth is just it is is not

1188
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:19,920
the real thing heaven is heaven is the

1189
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,960
real world and there's an example of

1190
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,200
if you're you know if you're down here

1191
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:27,680
on earth you're living in the simulation

1192
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:31,119
the real world is heaven

1193
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,800
that's exactly right and that's what you

1194
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,079
know the world's religions have been

1195
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,480
telling us all along is that what we're

1196
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:39,040
seeing is more of a training ground

1197
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,480
right where

1198
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,480
score is being kept

1199
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,119
and we are being judged based on those

1200
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:47,760
actions uh in the real world and we

1201
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:51,280
won't know that you know until we die

1202
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,040
and and so you know consciousness is

1203
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:57,040
downloaded if you will

1204
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,839
to

1205
00:49:02,710 --> 00:48:59,680
the body at birth

1206
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,720
and then upload it from the body

1207
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,119
afterwards at death so you're back in

1208
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,040
the real world and so what does that

1209
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,040
sound like it sounds a lot like a

1210
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:10,880
role-playing game

1211
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,520
where you end up taking on a particular

1212
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,160
character but a very immersive one right

1213
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,240
so it's very hard for us to

1214
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,079
remember these other realms while we're

1215
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,960
here so it's a fully immersive game

1216
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,960
uh but you know this idea of downloading

1217
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,720
consciousness is something that

1218
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,640
silicon valley is taking very seriously

1219
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:30,240
now right you have people who are

1220
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,280
talking about downloading your

1221
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:33,440
consciousness into a silicon device well

1222
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,880
it turns out you know the religions have

1223
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,559
been telling us all along

1224
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,839
and particularly as you look at the

1225
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,200
eastern

1226
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,240
uh traditions like buddhism and hinduism

1227
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,319
and and that whole line i mean they've

1228
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,160
been explicitly telling us and we don't

1229
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:47,920
even have to draw an analogy they've

1230
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:51,040
been saying that what we see is maya

1231
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,559
or illusion

1232
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,880
right this isn't the real world and the

1233
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:56,880
real world is beyond that illusion in

1234
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,599
fact in the vedas the hindu traditions

1235
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,000
they have a term called the leela which

1236
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,119
is the grand play a stage play right we

1237
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,880
get so caught up in the stage play of

1238
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,280
life that we're caught in this illusion

1239
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,440
of maya and we think we're in the real

1240
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,680
world well you know obviously back then

1241
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,920
they didn't have video games so a stage

1242
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,680
play seemed like a good

1243
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,240
good analogy to but today if it's an

1244
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,040
interactive stage play with lots and

1245
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:25,520
lots of characters that are being coming

1246
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,160
in and out of the play it sounds a heck

1247
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,359
of a lot like a you know multiplayer

1248
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,119
online role-playing game where you take

1249
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,119
on these different personas and you

1250
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:37,040
download into it and then you download

1251
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,079
out of it

1252
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,240
what is it that you know we talk about

1253
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,040
it so often rizz about what the ancients

1254
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:46,160
knew and what we've lost over time but

1255
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:47,280
when you go back and you look at the

1256
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:50,800
vedic text or is sumerian text or what

1257
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,240
plato wrote about and all of the other

1258
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,839
imagery from

1259
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,400
from greece and rome and egypt

1260
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,119
uh where this conversation

1261
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,319
was pretty solid you know

1262
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,200
about the possibility of not knowing

1263
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,280
what the real world is that we are

1264
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,599
living in something else

1265
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,599
yeah and there's a very famous you know

1266
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,599
allegory that plato wrote about in the

1267
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,359
republic of the cave

1268
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,119
which probably many listeners have heard

1269
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,359
of but the basic idea was he said if you

1270
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,960
if you're in a cave and you're chained

1271
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,400
to a wall

1272
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,720
and you can't really see outside the

1273
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,800
cave but you can see you know from the

1274
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:31,200
mouth of the cave you can see shadows of

1275
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:32,640
what's going on

1276
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,920
outside the cave and you know plato used

1277
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,520
the analogy that that

1278
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,079
is what we are like we're like prisoners

1279
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:41,760
chained to the wall and we only see

1280
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,839
shadows so you develop a whole

1281
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,160
vocabulary for

1282
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,559
what is going on based on these shadows

1283
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:49,760
that we're seeing against the wall but

1284
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,960
we don't know where the light's coming

1285
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,839
from

1286
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,920
the sun could be outside the cave and it

1287
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,359
could be causing these shadows and

1288
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,839
reflections of real people

1289
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,160
and he also said that if someone were to

1290
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,920
escape from the cave

1291
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,680
first he would be blinded by the light

1292
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,200
but then secondly if he came back and

1293
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,720
tried to tell everybody that's chained

1294
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,640
up in the cave what happened they would

1295
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:10,640
say he was crazy right

1296
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,599
which

1297
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,359
is often what happens when somebody has

1298
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,960
an enlightenment experience and they

1299
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:16,880
feel that they've you know glimpsed

1300
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:19,520
something beyond the the illusory world

1301
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:22,720
around us and so all of these traditions

1302
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,760
um this idea of you know reincarnation

1303
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:26,800
as well

1304
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:30,160
where you have a set of tasks that get

1305
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,200
built up

1306
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,960
so you know you mentioned that i'm a

1307
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:34,480
video game designer and i've been

1308
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,000
working on video games for the past 10

1309
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,640
years well most video games have this

1310
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,720
idea of a quest engine

1311
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,079
and you have to like you know go kill

1312
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,839
the goblin king or you have to go get

1313
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:45,119
this many

1314
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,720
pieces of gold or you have to find this

1315
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,319
particular treasure and when you

1316
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,720
complete the quest you go on to the next

1317
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,040
quest well if you look at

1318
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:55,119
the structure of karma and how it's

1319
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:56,800
described in the eastern text it's

1320
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,920
basically

1321
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:00,559
a way to keep track of these things that

1322
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:03,040
you have to do so you know they tell us

1323
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,319
in the eastern traditions that we create

1324
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,800
karma with all of our actions well how

1325
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:08,800
would that actually work it would have

1326
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,359
to be stored somewhere outside the

1327
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:12,960
rendered world

1328
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,359
and then we would have to basically

1329
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,760
as we go through the world

1330
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,119
and particularly as you go into the next

1331
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,440
life you would have to then go and take

1332
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,440
care of that karma so if you think of a

1333
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,200
series of quests

1334
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,599
that are there you know it turns out and

1335
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,280
in the book i have a whole diagram of

1336
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,520
what a quest engine would look like that

1337
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,440
could explain karma provides a pretty

1338
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,000
interesting scientific basis for this

1339
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:38,160
model that people have been telling us

1340
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:39,920
you know all through the ages this is

1341
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:42,400
really how the universe works yeah i i

1342
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,760
also look at

1343
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:46,000
it it's a weird

1344
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,760
way to understand this but if you

1345
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,319
look at a fish in a fish bowl

1346
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,319
okay that's his world

1347
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,960
and we look out here

1348
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,720
you know our living room right and

1349
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,880
you've got the fish bowl sitting on the

1350
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,160
coffee table

1351
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:04,000
that fish

1352
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:04,960
that

1353
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:08,079
nother dimension

1354
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,760
right he doesn't he doesn't understand

1355
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,480
he didn't even see it he doesn't unders

1356
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,480
he can't relate to it

1357
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,160
but you take him out of that fishbowl

1358
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,319
he'd have a heart attack he wouldn't he

1359
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,000
could not you know what i mean he

1360
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,760
couldn't relate to

1361
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:23,920
well we could be the fish in the fish

1362
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,720
bowl

1363
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,960
and we could be part of that and we

1364
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,960
don't understand really what's going on

1365
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,640
with this other dimension that could be

1366
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:31,920
outside of

1367
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:35,200
of of where we exist

1368
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:37,040
yeah i think that's you know exactly

1369
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,800
right and the fishbowl analogy is a good

1370
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,920
one because

1371
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,920
you know the material world

1372
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,640
being like the water in this case

1373
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,880
and so you know this is when if you were

1374
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,720
to take a purely materialistic view of

1375
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,359
the world you know you would say

1376
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,960
that

1377
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,720
there's just the water and nothing

1378
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,559
outside of that could actually exist and

1379
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,920
you couldn't really

1380
00:55:03,030 --> 00:54:59,359
figure out how this stuff worked but

1381
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,040
we've had hints and clues all along

1382
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:05,200
and you know even as you get into the

1383
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,400
physics

1384
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,720
and you get into the biology

1385
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,400
every field

1386
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:12,160
of science

1387
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,040
is

1388
00:55:18,790 --> 00:55:15,760
basically finding that underneath it's

1389
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:18,800
all about information and computation

1390
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,599
and it's not so much about the physical

1391
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,760
world itself and so i think that's a you

1392
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,520
know an important point that's why you

1393
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,440
know the simulation hypothesis i think

1394
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,280
can bridge the gap

1395
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between

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these spiritual and religious traditions

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and the materialistic you know

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scientific point of view uh i mentioned

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uh oxford's nick bostrom you know he

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says online that many times he's had

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friends of his who are university

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professors who are atheists who after

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they look at the simulation hypothesis a

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little more seriously say

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well maybe the logical thing to do is to

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be an agnostic because anyone that was

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outside the simulation

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might look like gods or angels or super

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powerful beings to the people inside the

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simulation right from the fish's

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00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,839
perspective

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we can pick up the bowl and move it you

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00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,920
know what kind of beings are we

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00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,480
from that perspective that's exactly

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00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:11,920
that's where the tie

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00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,640
ties together that's exactly the point i

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00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:17,119
mean how mind-blowing is that well for

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00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:18,160
us

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00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:21,520
fish bowl

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so

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us being the fish not understanding who

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00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:28,079
could be controlling us outside of our

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00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:29,200
world

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00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,000
it's a fascinating thought and if it's

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00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:34,160
as simple for us to grasp about the

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00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,160
fishbowl then what would be the

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00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,079
difference the answer is nothing there

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00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,880
isn't a difference

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00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,240
yeah that's right and so things that

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00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,960
look supernatural are actually just

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00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:46,880
a regular part

1432
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:50,079
you know of of of how the world works um

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00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,440
you know i talked about

1434
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,799
downloading of consciousness since we're

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talking about the the ancient traditions

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00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,440
i'll talk a little bit more about that

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you know in the tibetan traditions

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00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,440
they say that the world is like a dream

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00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,119
and this is an analogy that comes up

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00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,640
again and again

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00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,960
and you know what is a dream

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00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:09,200
but a mini simulation right when we're

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00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:10,400
inside of it

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00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,359
we think

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00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:13,920
that it's real but then we wake up and

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00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,240
we realize that it wasn't necessarily

1447
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,319
real well in the tibetan traditions

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00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,880
there's a whole field called dream yoga

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00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:23,200
and the idea is they train you to wake

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00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,079
up within the dream and to realize that

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00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:28,400
the dream you're seeing is an illusion

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00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,280
and

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00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,319
that process is meant to then help you

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00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,960
wake up in real life kind of i guess the

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00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,200
that would be the the tibetan buddhist

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00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,040
version of the red pill you know versus

1457
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,599
the blue pill to actually realize that

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00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:43,839
what's going on around you

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00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:44,640
is

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00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,680
consciousness you know there's a

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consciousness outside of it and so this

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00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,960
is why i like

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00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,040
the video game analogy because

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in video games you have a player

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and then you have a character a pc that

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a player character that you are playing

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00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,160
and so there's consciousness outside of

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00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,160
the game and there's a player within the

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00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,240
video game now not everybody subscribes

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00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:08,400
to that right some people think we're in

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00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,680
a simulation and everybody is just ai

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00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,680
or simulated consciousness right and so

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00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,440
those that that's a big debate within

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00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,000
the world of the simulation hypothesis

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00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,400
uh but i tend to subscribe to and that's

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00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:22,480
why you know video games is in in this

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00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,799
book i really use my background in

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00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,960
designing and creating video games um

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00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:28,079
and i was talking about the tibetan

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00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:29,839
traditions they also have what are

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00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,480
called the sixth yogas of naropa one of

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00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,799
which is dream yoga turns out there's a

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00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,440
there's a secret seventh yoga called the

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00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,359
yoga of consciousness

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00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:41,760
uh projects forceful projection and

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00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:44,000
consciousness transference and the idea

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00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,760
is you can actually if you're trained to

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00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:47,119
do this and they keep it secret for

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00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,280
obvious reasons you can actually project

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your consciousness out of your body into

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00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,319
another biological organism so it's just

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like learning how to upload and download

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your consciousness and there's a famous

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00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:00,799
story of uh

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marpa who is a famous tibetan yogi his

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00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:04,559
son

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00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:07,040
fell off a horse and was about to die he

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00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:08,720
ended up projecting his consciousness

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into a pigeon that was nearby the pigeon

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flew to india and he then transferred

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his consciousness to a recently deceased

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00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,200
younger man

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00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,640
you know they had these graveyards back

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00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:21,040
then they didn't always cremate people

1505
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,720
and he basically transformed himself

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00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,280
into a new body and and kept teaching

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00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,680
you know that that yoga of consciousness

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00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:29,839
transference uh so it sounds a little

1509
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:32,240
morbid but you know it's not unlike what

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00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,599
people in silicon valley are talking

1511
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,520
about today which is saying they want to

1512
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,760
transfer their consciousness to silicon

1513
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,160
to try to get to this idea of digital

1514
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,480
immortality

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let's take a break right here our guest

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tonight resverk

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talking about his book

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the simulation hypothesis and of course

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more with riz after this short break i'm

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welcome back fade to black i'm yours

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jimmy church tonight rizz burke is with

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i want to really get into the science

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side of this i think that everybody is

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1664
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:13,920
and go okay it's all a simulation okay

1665
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:16,640
and and here's why but before we get to

1666
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:18,640
that i want to throw this out

1667
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,000
what if because the consciousness side

1668
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:24,400
of this and downloading that

1669
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:26,559
it's one thing with ones and zeros but

1670
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:27,839
let's say

1671
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:31,200
that you exist in a simulated reality

1672
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,520
right and and rizzberg

1673
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:35,280
then goes in

1674
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:38,640
and downloads his consciousness and self

1675
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,640
inside of said simulation right

1676
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,160
wait a minute

1677
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:46,160
are we creating some kind of crazy

1678
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:47,599
feedback loop

1679
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:51,039
and then inside of that simulation

1680
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:54,880
you do it once again and you are now

1681
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:57,760
two or three times removed from

1682
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,640
what would be perceived as your real

1683
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,319
self

1684
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:04,319
right so it's kind of like a matrix you

1685
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,400
know within the matrix right

1686
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:08,000
um and

1687
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:09,760
this is something that i think is is

1688
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:10,799
very

1689
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:11,839
um

1690
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:15,039
it speculated a lot you know within

1691
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:16,559
people who like to talk about the

1692
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,559
simulation hypothesis

1693
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,640
and you know in my book i spent about a

1694
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:21,839
third of the book

1695
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,240
talking about the technology

1696
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,400
and how would we build

1697
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:28,000
the matrix in fact i had an article in

1698
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:29,520
techcrunch today that was you know how

1699
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:31,359
to build a matrix looking at the

1700
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:34,319
technology 20 years later

1701
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:35,200
and

1702
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,200
basically the first

1703
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:38,720
parts of that

1704
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:42,000
roadmap you know map pretty well to what

1705
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:43,760
we've already developed in terms of our

1706
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:45,200
video games starting with text

1707
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:48,240
adventures which came up with this idea

1708
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,200
of

1709
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:51,280
a world in the computer right before

1710
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:52,880
that no one had ever really thought

1711
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,079
about that

1712
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:56,480
and you had to use your your mind

1713
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,880
uh to really visualize the world right

1714
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:01,200
then we went to arcade games like

1715
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,920
asteroids and space invaders and you

1716
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,920
know i used to play on my atari back in

1717
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:07,440
the early 90s you know i used to play

1718
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:10,400
these racing games and i'd always wonder

1719
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,400
what was going on in that that racing

1720
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:14,720
game beyond the racetrack and the people

1721
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:17,120
in the bleachers and i would see clouds

1722
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:18,880
and cityscapes beyond that and wonder

1723
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,679
you know

1724
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,679
what's what's over there in that

1725
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:23,359
simulated world

1726
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,239
i don't know if you ever played

1727
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,719
asteroids but you could go off of

1728
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,319
the top of the screen and you would

1729
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:29,920
appear your ship would appear at the

1730
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:32,239
bottom of the screen so there was a

1731
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,600
geometry

1732
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:35,520
to this graphical world which was being

1733
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,960
rendered

1734
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:38,480
with pixels

1735
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,080
right and then you know there's like 10

1736
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:43,440
stages that we go through but as we

1737
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:46,400
represent the world as 3d models

1738
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,839
that's where the optimization comes and

1739
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,960
we'll talk about that along with the

1740
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:51,120
quantum physics but eventually some of

1741
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,080
the later stages to really truly build a

1742
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,480
simulation like the matrix you know we

1743
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:58,640
would have to fool ourselves into

1744
01:09:02,470 --> 01:08:59,600
thinking

1745
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,480
that we are in the real world again and

1746
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:04,960
so we would have to beam that those

1747
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:08,239
pixels no longer onto a screen or even a

1748
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:10,640
virtual reality glasses but we would

1749
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:13,520
have to beam them into the mind itself

1750
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,000
and so mine bought broadcast

1751
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:18,000
and then we would have to

1752
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:19,440
be able to

1753
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,440
get the responses back for what you want

1754
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:23,440
to do in that world so we would have to

1755
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:25,520
read them now in the movie the matrix

1756
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:27,679
right when neo woke up

1757
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:29,520
he was in a pod

1758
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:32,159
which had a uh a physical

1759
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:33,839
connection in the back of his head in

1760
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:36,319
the cerebral cortex and that's how they

1761
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:38,000
jacked into the matrix

1762
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:39,279
was through the physical world and so

1763
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:41,120
that's technology that we're people are

1764
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:42,640
still working on

1765
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:45,199
this idea of brain computer interfaces

1766
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,880
but it's actually a pretty

1767
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:49,279
popular area right now and more and more

1768
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,400
startups

1769
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:52,319
including one funded by elon musk called

1770
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,000
neuralink and one in boston called

1771
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:56,640
mirable and and many others are are

1772
01:10:02,550 --> 01:09:59,199
starting to have technology developed so

1773
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:02,560
you know we would be able at some point

1774
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:05,120
within a decade two decades three

1775
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:07,760
decades to be able to create

1776
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:09,360
real simulations so i call this the

1777
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,679
simulation point and there's about 10

1778
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:14,000
stages i describe in the book to the

1779
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:15,840
simulation point and once the

1780
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:18,000
civilization gets there

1781
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,120
right then we could do what you're

1782
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:21,040
talking about which is i could then

1783
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:22,800
download myself

1784
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:23,679
into

1785
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,400
another simulation now at some point

1786
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:28,800
the resources

1787
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,760
you know are limited and this is where

1788
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:33,679
you know as you understand the computer

1789
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:36,320
science uh you realize that it's all

1790
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:37,199
about

1791
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,239
optimizing limited resources and so some

1792
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,120
people think that there is a limit to

1793
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,360
how much we'll be able to simulate if

1794
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:47,600
we're inside a simulation because we

1795
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:50,000
only have the computing power of the

1796
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,159
processors that are running

1797
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:54,320
the simulation outside of

1798
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,000
the one that we're in if that makes

1799
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:58,560
sense right it does it does but when you

1800
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,120
have uh you know like neil degrasse

1801
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:03,520
tyson or brian greene

1802
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:07,199
or ray kurzweil or or elon musk and

1803
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:08,880
stephen hawking

1804
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,440
uh suggesting this to everybody their

1805
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,440
words have weight

1806
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:15,920
right and the power of suggestion is

1807
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:17,679
very very strong

1808
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:20,000
and i have to ask what is it that they

1809
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:20,960
know

1810
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,040
that they fully understand and they

1811
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:25,679
grasp that we don't when it comes to the

1812
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,120
possibility of living in a simulation

1813
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,760
well i think you know the physicists and

1814
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,679
the technologists right again these are

1815
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:35,760
considered separate fields

1816
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,760
right computer science is

1817
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,040
one field

1818
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:41,760
and physics is another field

1819
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:42,480
but

1820
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:44,239
they're starting to see that they're

1821
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:47,199
actually related right and particularly

1822
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,960
with quantum computing you start to see

1823
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,120
the convergence of basically every

1824
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:55,199
single field into computer science or

1825
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,719
information

1826
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:58,400
there was a famous

1827
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,280
um

1828
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,600
there was a famous physicist named john

1829
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,840
wheeler right who was involved in

1830
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:05,760
everything from the discovery of

1831
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:08,400
black holes to parallel universes

1832
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:09,920
and other things and and in his

1833
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:12,320
biography you know he

1834
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,440
came up with this phrase it from bits

1835
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,360
right where he basically said he went

1836
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:19,760
through three phases of physics in his

1837
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:21,199
long career and he was you know he

1838
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,640
worked with he was like the last living

1839
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,199
physicist to work with einstein and he

1840
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,280
said in the in the first phase we all

1841
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:29,520
thought that physics was about studying

1842
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:32,960
matter particles actual physical objects

1843
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,719
in the second phase which was some of

1844
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,000
the quantum stuff that we'll talk about

1845
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:38,159
in a minute he said well everything was

1846
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:40,960
a field turns out it wasn't physical at

1847
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,440
all it was a set of probabilities

1848
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:45,600
and then later in the third state of his

1849
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:47,760
career he realized that everything

1850
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:50,719
was bits or information wasn't even a

1851
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,000
field it was zeros or ones and so you

1852
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:56,480
know if everything at its core

1853
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,199
is

1854
01:13:02,149 --> 01:12:59,840
basically information then you can start

1855
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,159
to do things like quantum teleportation

1856
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:04,480
teleporting you know an object from one

1857
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:05,920
place to another right now they've been

1858
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:09,360
able to teleport the quantum state of a

1859
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,239
photon or of an object somewhere else

1860
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,640
but really it's the information

1861
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:17,040
that gets transferred and and so i think

1862
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:19,120
when when you know these physicists and

1863
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,800
these technologists

1864
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,440
are are are talking about this stuff you

1865
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,120
know they're seeing that

1866
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,320
that information is at the source of

1867
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,400
underneath everything and that's why

1868
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,560
they're taking it you know so seriously

1869
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,960
i think and stephen hawking put it at

1870
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,719
about a 50 50

1871
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,080
you know chance that we're living inside

1872
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,560
a simulation elon musk says it's about a

1873
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,400
billion to one that we're inside of the

1874
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:44,320
simulation meaning

1875
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,239
that it's a billion that we are in fact

1876
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:48,239
inside a simulation

1877
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,440
don't we expect them uh to be

1878
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:53,360
uh balanced

1879
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:56,880
right you expect those very smart minds

1880
01:14:02,790 --> 01:13:59,679
not to go in this direction

1881
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:02,800
but for them to go in this direction so

1882
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:05,840
freely and to be accepting of this

1883
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,360
possibility

1884
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:09,520
uh really says something and it scares

1885
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:12,560
us because you have the physical side

1886
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:14,320
and the information side and you have

1887
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:15,760
the conscious

1888
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:17,840
side of things in consciousness

1889
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:20,640
and is that the barrier it's one thing

1890
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:21,360
to

1891
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:22,719
uh

1892
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:24,880
to get to the ones and zeroes of

1893
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:26,000
memories

1894
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,800
and stored stuff in our brains but then

1895
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:30,800
we have the stuff that makes riz rizz

1896
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,320
and jimmy jimmy and how does that get uh

1897
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,719
moved over

1898
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:38,800
yeah so you know again it depends on

1899
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,920
your

1900
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:41,280
interpretation of the simulation

1901
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,560
hypothesis

1902
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,360
you know as i said in in my case i tend

1903
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,360
to view us as conscious beings outside

1904
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:49,760
the simulation who are playing a

1905
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,400
character within the simulation just

1906
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:54,640
like going back to the tibetans when we

1907
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,360
dream we have a body in the dream but

1908
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,000
that's not really us right that's uh

1909
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:02,800
inside the simulation now

1910
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:05,520
one of the reasons that you know back in

1911
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:07,360
20 years ago and in fact the matrix came

1912
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:08,159
out

1913
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:11,920
on march 31 1999 which is uh literally

1914
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,640
20 years to the day that my book is

1915
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:16,400
going to be released on march 31st in

1916
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:18,159
about a week and a half here

1917
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:19,760
but you know people didn't take it that

1918
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:21,760
seriously at the time because the

1919
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:24,719
technology wasn't there so i mentioned

1920
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:27,199
earlier the uh oxford philosopher named

1921
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,480
nick bostrom so he came out with a

1922
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:30,480
simulation argument now he wasn't really

1923
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,960
a video game guy or a computer guy so

1924
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:34,239
you know all the stuff i talk about the

1925
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:35,440
technology he doesn't really talk about

1926
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,040
that but his argument was that suppose

1927
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:41,360
a civilization somewhere

1928
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,560
created

1929
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:45,040
uh something like the matrix a simulated

1930
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:45,920
world

1931
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,159
uh in in my parlance i'd say they got to

1932
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:50,320
the simulation point and he said in

1933
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:51,280
order to

1934
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:52,719
to have more beings they would just need

1935
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:54,800
more servers so you could literally have

1936
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:58,080
billions of of or trillions of beings

1937
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:59,520
within these simulations you could have

1938
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:01,840
billions of simulations with trillions

1939
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,120
of beings inside them and so if you

1940
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:07,120
counted up all the beings that were

1941
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:09,520
inside the simulations and you counted

1942
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:11,199
up all the beings that were outside the

1943
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,480
simulation

1944
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:13,840
clearly the number of beings in the

1945
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:16,880
simulations is much more therefore

1946
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:19,679
if any civilization ever gets to this

1947
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,480
point

1948
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:22,560
right anywhere in the galaxy you could

1949
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:23,840
have a civilization that's a million

1950
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:25,760
years ahead of us that is able to create

1951
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:28,320
these kind of simulations then we are

1952
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,000
more likely to be simulated beings

1953
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,400
inside the simulation than an actual

1954
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:34,800
biological being and so when he

1955
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:38,080
published that paper in 2003 suddenly

1956
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,840
you know all these smart people at

1957
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,760
universities et cetera started to take

1958
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:44,320
this idea more seriously neil degrasse

1959
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:46,000
tyson says well you can't really argue

1960
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,679
with the logic

1961
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:49,760
even though it's a statistical argument

1962
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,360
you know when i was back at mit we were

1963
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:53,280
taught that science is really about

1964
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,400
creating models of the world

1965
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:58,480
and these models would have to explain

1966
01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:00,159
what happens we had the newtonian model

1967
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,280
of the world

1968
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,199
which was based on continuous motion and

1969
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,360
solid objects and that worked for the

1970
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:07,360
most part but it broke down when you

1971
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,159
were going really fast or if you went to

1972
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:12,800
really small subatomic levels

1973
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,159
and then you know einstein came up with

1974
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,159
interior relativity which works at fast

1975
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,480
speeds and then quantum mechanics was a

1976
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:20,480
model that came up when you look at what

1977
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:22,960
happens at the subatomic state

1978
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:25,120
but now this is a model

1979
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:27,120
the simulation hypothesis

1980
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:28,960
that i think explains

1981
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,960
many more things about the physical

1982
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:32,880
world and the conscious world and the

1983
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:35,120
religious and spiritual world than any

1984
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,480
model before

1985
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,880
and so you know that's i i don't think a

1986
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:40,880
lot of the physicists are quite there

1987
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:43,280
yet and a lot of the academics right

1988
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:44,719
that they're willing to debate the

1989
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:46,320
statistical argument

1990
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:49,520
or the ai argument that we're all ai i

1991
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,280
don't think too many of them are yet at

1992
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,280
the point of of saying well we're really

1993
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:55,520
beaming our consciousness from another

1994
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:58,080
universe or another uh

1995
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,159
world beyond the physical but they're

1996
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,560
getting there and and the more and more

1997
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:04,800
that they find information is at the

1998
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:07,920
heart of everything and you know i i

1999
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:10,320
have been running a uh a video game

2000
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:12,080
accelerator at mit for the last two

2001
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:13,120
years and

2002
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:15,600
you know for many years mit had you know

2003
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:17,920
four colleges the college of engineering

2004
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:20,640
college of business etc they just

2005
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:23,199
introduced a new college which is all

2006
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:24,719
about ai

2007
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:28,000
and quantum computing uh as as a whole

2008
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:29,760
new field in and of itself and they're

2009
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:32,320
recognizing that all the other fields

2010
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:34,080
are related to it

2011
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,159
what was the video game that came out uh

2012
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:40,400
it was about three or four years ago

2013
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:41,760
uh where

2014
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:43,199
you could go

2015
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,960
and visit

2016
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:46,320
uh any

2017
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:48,800
any planet and and

2018
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:51,520
it and it continued and rendered in real

2019
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,640
time

2020
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:54,800
yeah so there was a video game called no

2021
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:57,440
man's sky yeah no man's sky came out

2022
01:19:02,550 --> 01:18:58,880
and it had

2023
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:02,560
18 quintillion planets right and you

2024
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:03,920
could go to those planets and you could

2025
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:07,600
actually walk around in real time now

2026
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,920
the team that built this they didn't sit

2027
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:11,679
there and design

2028
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:13,199
each planet

2029
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:15,520
right right right turns out that if you

2030
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,840
uh you know have 64 bits

2031
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:19,920
and you say 2 to the 64th power turns

2032
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:21,280
out to be exactly

2033
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:23,760
18 quintillion that's why they had that

2034
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,880
many

2035
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:26,400
possible worlds but

2036
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:30,239
what they would do is they would render

2037
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:33,199
the flora and fauna of each world

2038
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,960
based on different algorithms and so

2039
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:36,239
many of your listeners have probably

2040
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:39,280
heard of fractal algorithms that's right

2041
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,719
and i've got some pictures in the book

2042
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:42,000
and you can look online and you'll see

2043
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:44,560
that you know fractal geometry

2044
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:48,159
is a way of describing the natural world

2045
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:50,159
which came out of you know this whole

2046
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:53,360
idea of chaos theory and with there was

2047
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:55,120
a guy named mandelbrot who asked a

2048
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,000
question

2049
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:58,880
that said how long is the coastline

2050
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,400
well turns out

2051
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:02,080
you can measure a coastline you know at

2052
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:03,840
the level of miles and say it's you know

2053
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:06,480
100 miles long but if you go in and you

2054
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:08,640
zoom in you see the coastline is

2055
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:10,320
actually kind of rocky and has nooks and

2056
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,320
crannies so if you zoom in a little bit

2057
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:14,400
turns out it's longer than 100 miles

2058
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:15,920
well if you zoom in again you'll see

2059
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,480
even more nooks and crannies and so

2060
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:20,400
the answer depends

2061
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,280
on

2062
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:24,000
what scale you're looking at the world

2063
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:25,840
turns out fractal algorithms are the

2064
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,120
best way

2065
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,760
to describe a lot of natural

2066
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:31,920
processes whether it's veins or

2067
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:34,960
tree-like structures or coastlines and

2068
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:36,960
so you know many people have speculated

2069
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:39,280
that what nature really is

2070
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:40,239
is a

2071
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,679
fractal algorithmic generating a machine

2072
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:45,199
and that's you know that's why there's

2073
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:46,880
no straight lines

2074
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:50,480
in nature right everything uh is uh has

2075
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:53,199
many dimensions and and so turns out

2076
01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:55,040
that the same techniques these guys were

2077
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:57,520
using in no man's sky to generate all

2078
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:59,040
the flora and vonna

2079
01:21:01,350 --> 01:21:00,480
there are people who seriously think

2080
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:01,360
that

2081
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:06,880
coastlines evolve in the physical world

2082
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:10,000
is again based on these algorithmic

2083
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,239
properties that that nature is using

2084
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,719
algorithms so so you're kind of opening

2085
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:16,880
up the physical world and realizing that

2086
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:18,239
oh my god it's actually a computer

2087
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:19,920
program in there and that's another

2088
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,000
reason why people are starting to take

2089
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:24,880
uh this idea more seriously now than

2090
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,040
they did 10 years ago and certainly you

2091
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,960
know then they did 20 years ago when the

2092
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:30,960
matrix first came out yeah and that

2093
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:34,400
would be an answer for the size of

2094
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,360
uh

2095
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:37,679
what consciousness would be right it'd

2096
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:40,480
be a huge number uh as far as ones and

2097
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:43,520
zeros go be a complex but if it is

2098
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:45,920
derived in render

2099
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:48,960
right and with with fractal algorithms

2100
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:51,040
you don't need a huge ch everybody

2101
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,159
wouldn't be a huge chunk of code

2102
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,800
right your reality in the in a

2103
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:58,320
simulation

2104
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:00,639
could be rendered as your day moves

2105
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,639
along

2106
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:04,639
that's right and so you know

2107
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:05,440
uh

2108
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:06,639
let's talk a little bit about how

2109
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:08,960
rendering is done in video games right

2110
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:10,960
so if you're in the sims

2111
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:13,440
right you're seeing a room well that

2112
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,480
room

2113
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:17,199
is a set of 3d models that describe the

2114
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,080
shapes of everything in that room

2115
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:22,320
right and then

2116
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:24,880
your computer renders

2117
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,440
that room from your point of view

2118
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,920
so it only renders the things that you

2119
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:32,080
can see right so if there was you know

2120
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:34,639
creature facing the other way

2121
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,600
well you can't necessarily see its face

2122
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:39,199
initially right you can only see its

2123
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:40,000
back

2124
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,679
and if there was a flower but it was

2125
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:43,679
underneath the table you couldn't see

2126
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:46,480
the flower well when when people were

2127
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:48,800
first building video games

2128
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:51,199
they thought it was impossible to

2129
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:53,440
render all the pixels that you would

2130
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,239
need for fully 3d environments immersive

2131
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:58,159
environments that's a lot of pixels you

2132
01:23:02,070 --> 01:22:59,600
think about it

2133
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,080
turns out doom was the first video game

2134
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:04,800
that really was popular that was using

2135
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:07,199
this idea of a 3d perspective and you

2136
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:09,840
could look around very quickly as a

2137
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,560
first person shooter and it would adjust

2138
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:14,320
automatically and that was because they

2139
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,040
rendered only that which needs

2140
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:19,440
that which is being observed so that's

2141
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,159
kind of the golden rule when it comes to

2142
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:24,960
video game environments is render only

2143
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:27,199
that which you can observe or you can

2144
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:29,360
see from your point of view

2145
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,920
okay and so now we're getting into

2146
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:33,440
the physics

2147
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:35,120
right and so one of the biggest

2148
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,320
mysteries

2149
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,639
in quantum physics is this idea

2150
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:40,719
of quantum indeterminacy and then the

2151
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,880
idea is that um

2152
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:45,280
say that again say that again what's the

2153
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:46,400
word

2154
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:49,280
quantum indeterminacy okay which uh

2155
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:50,560
probably the easiest way to understand

2156
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:52,080
it although you know physicists talk

2157
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:54,320
about it at the level of a particle

2158
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:57,199
and says where is this particle and is

2159
01:24:03,270 --> 01:23:59,040
it a a wave

2160
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:03,280
or is it a a particle and but you know

2161
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:05,440
easier i think to understand it at the

2162
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,719
idea of

2163
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,800
schrodinger's you know infamous cat

2164
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:11,040
right many of us have heard of that

2165
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:14,719
and the cat is a is in a box

2166
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,520
that has some radioactive decay and

2167
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:19,600
there's about a fifty percent chance

2168
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:21,679
that the cat is alive or dead

2169
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:24,159
and so what you know uh schrodinger said

2170
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,679
was

2171
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,600
we don't know

2172
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:29,600
if the cat is alive or dead until we

2173
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:32,320
open the box but it turns out the cat is

2174
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:33,840
both alive

2175
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,120
and dead

2176
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:37,840
until we open the box and actually

2177
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:40,000
observe it now common sense would tell

2178
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:41,840
us that's not the case common sense

2179
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:43,920
tells us either the cat is alive or dead

2180
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,600
already just because we can't see it in

2181
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:47,679
the box it has to be one or the other

2182
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:48,880
right

2183
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,440
well the quantum physicists have found

2184
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:53,600
and this is like you know a fundamental

2185
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:54,880
finding

2186
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:57,679
of how the universe works is that until

2187
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:59,600
somebody actually opens the box and

2188
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:00,800
observes it

2189
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,639
that the cat is neither alive nor dead

2190
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,560
it gets rendered

2191
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:08,400
based upon

2192
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,400
who observes it at that point in time

2193
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:14,800
uh and so that is also you know the the

2194
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,560
basis of what they called a

2195
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:18,080
the double slit experiment where they're

2196
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,600
shooting particles through these two

2197
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:21,120
slits and they say

2198
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:23,040
if it's a wave it'll have an

2199
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:24,719
interference pattern you know on this

2200
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:26,560
screen beyond the slits and if it's a

2201
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:29,600
particle it'll go to a specific point

2202
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,159
well turns out it's not until somebody

2203
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:34,800
observes it that it takes on

2204
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,440
a specific position right before that

2205
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:39,920
it's what's called a superposition which

2206
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:42,800
means like the cat is alive or dead

2207
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:44,000
and so

2208
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:45,920
you know the big question in physics is

2209
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:47,199
why would it

2210
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,080
why would the universe work in this way

2211
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,480
that somebody has to sit there

2212
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:55,360
and observe something in order for the

2213
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:57,040
path of the particle

2214
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,719
to be rendered

2215
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,719
and it turns out there's also something

2216
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,320
called the delayed choice experiment

2217
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:04,080
where the particle goes through the

2218
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:05,040
slits

2219
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and then it goes and does a whole bunch

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of other things like it could go up to a

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satellite a thousand miles away and only

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then is it observed but turns out the

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path is not solid until the observation

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happens

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well now we tie back to the rendering of

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video games right the cardinal rule was

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what

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only render

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that's what you see

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right right and that turns out to be the

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cardinal rule within quantum physics is

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only render

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that which is being observed which you

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know is why you know

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the simulation hypothesis starts to make

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01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:41,199
a lot more sense when you look at it in

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01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,960
terms of quantum physics and how it

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works

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let's take a break right here and i'm

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looking at uh it's so funny i'm looking

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at the comments and uh

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somebody just said my brain hurts

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it's a heavy it's a it's a heavy heavy

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heavy concept and one that isn't uh for

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no pun intended not that far from actual

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reality our guest tonight riz burke

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we're talking about his new book the

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simulation hypothesis i'm your host

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jimmy church this is fade to black stay

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jimmy church this is revolution the

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revolution

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is on radio

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[Music]

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hmm

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welcome back to fade to black our guest

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tonight rhys burke

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talking about his new book the

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simulation hypothesis which is going to

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be released on march 31st

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which will be the 20-year anniversary of

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the worldwide release of the film the

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matrix and you can follow rizz

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on twitter it's riz cambridge

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right

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it's ris stanford or wrist tampering

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with cambridge

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it just depends where i was living when

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i created the account or the gmail where

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did i get cambridge from you use that

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somewhere don't you yeah i use that in

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one of my email switches that's it

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01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:22,880
that's it

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01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:24,960
in another simulation yeah and another

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01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:27,440
simulation and i have

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uh go ahead riz i'm sorry yeah i was

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01:33:34,709 --> 01:33:31,199
just gonna say you know speaking of

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email i just got a got a note while uh

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01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:36,560
we were in the break here from tessa b

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dick saying that she was listening to

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the show and so i'd like to give a shout

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01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:42,080
out to her though she's the wife of the

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01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:44,000
late philip k dick and thought you know

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01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:45,520
we're we got heavy into the physics

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01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:47,120
maybe we could step back a little bit to

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talk a little bit about some of the

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01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:51,280
science fiction yeah let's let's do that

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01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:52,960
and i'll and i'll tell you why and

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01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:56,000
what's up tessa she's absolutely amazing

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01:34:01,669 --> 01:34:00,320
um a big shout out to tessa the uh okay

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01:34:05,189 --> 01:34:01,679
let's let's

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01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:05,199
let's uh suppose something here if one

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of the benefits of

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uh downloading ourselves or living in a

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01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:13,280
simulation

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01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:14,400
would be

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immortality and i would say that that

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would be if i was a billionaire if i was

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01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:21,199
a billionaire i wouldn't have an issue

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01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:24,960
with downloading myself into a a bot a

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01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:26,080
robot

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01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:29,600
um and and living forever but if that is

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the case

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01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:33,760
then why if we're living in a simulation

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01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:37,840
why do we die in this simulation

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01:34:43,110 --> 01:34:40,320
well you know that's a

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01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:43,120
a big heavy loaded question right right

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01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:45,280
but uh you know

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01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:47,280
uh if you look at video games uh you

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know they have this idea of multiple

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01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:51,920
lives right so you're able to go through

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01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:53,920
a character you're able to get to a

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01:34:58,229 --> 01:34:56,400
certain point and then you know the

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01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:58,239
character can die in the game because if

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01:35:01,910 --> 01:35:00,400
there's no consequences

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01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:01,920
of the actions

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01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:05,440
then you're not really taking uh that

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video game or that character's actions

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01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,719
very seriously and we all do we all do

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01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:12,000
that when we

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01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:15,280
when we upload a cheat right insert some

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01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:17,840
kind of infinite life cheat

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01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:21,040
the game doesn't have any more impact

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01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:23,440
that's right exactly at that point the

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01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:25,920
game becomes too easy right so it's the

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01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:28,719
same with why many gamers don't like you

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01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:31,520
know pay to win types of games right if

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they just pay money and then you don't

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have to go through the process of

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learning how to play the game and to

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01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:38,480
really build your expertise and so you

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01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:39,280
know

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01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:41,199
as we get into the why right now we're

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01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:43,360
we're backing up from the science to the

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01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:45,679
philosophy and the religion to say you

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01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:48,159
know why is that the case you know

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01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:49,520
again in most of the religious

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01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:51,360
traditions they talk about this being a

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01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:54,000
school or a training ground

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01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:55,920
while we're here

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to learn certain things about ourselves

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and to evolve

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as souls

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and keeping a list of of all the karmic

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01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:07,360
tasks that we have to do well if there

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01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:09,280
weren't consequences to what you did

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01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:10,960
here if there weren't rules that you had

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01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,880
to follow you know then we wouldn't take

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01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:14,400
it that seriously at all so that would

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01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:17,440
be my my answer for for the why but

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01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:19,520
obviously that's an area of a lot of

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01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:22,080
speculation would you download would you

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01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:24,560
upload yourself

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01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:26,000
into a

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01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:27,840
well yeah would you do it

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01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:29,760
into a digital device yeah would you do

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01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,560
it

2461
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:32,400
and this is an interesting philosophical

2462
01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:34,960
question because it is the transhumanist

2463
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,040
movement right in silicon valley and

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01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:39,760
beyond is very much about how do i

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01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:42,639
downline myself onto a silicon device

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01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:44,080
the question

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01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:45,280
is

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01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:47,440
you know with the way that we've defined

2469
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:49,440
bits and i talked about quantum

2470
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:51,840
teleportation earlier right which was

2471
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:53,280
this idea of

2472
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:56,400
teleporting a particle from here to say

2473
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:57,840
in outer space

2474
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,679
what they're really transporting is the

2475
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:01,199
quantum state

2476
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:03,760
like that's as far as we've got we we

2477
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:05,440
aren't actually trans

2478
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:07,440
transmitting or teleporting the actual

2479
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:10,080
particle yet so the question is

2480
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:12,400
is it the same particle

2481
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,040
if it has the same quantum state

2482
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:17,119
nobody knows the answer to that question

2483
01:37:22,709 --> 01:37:19,920
so is it the same person

2484
01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:22,719
if you you were to simulate your

2485
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:25,600
consciousness and put it onto a silicon

2486
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:28,400
device or is it a copy of your

2487
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,520
consciousness

2488
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:30,960
right and this is where we get into

2489
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:31,920
these

2490
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,400
about

2491
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:36,239
you know are we conscious beings outside

2492
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:38,880
of our simulation and and we would we

2493
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:41,199
just simply be cut creating kind of a

2494
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:42,800
snapshot

2495
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:45,119
of our current consciousness so a lot of

2496
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:46,800
scientists believe that it's just a

2497
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:48,400
matter of

2498
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,600
uh simulating all the neurons

2499
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:53,440
and there's a very big number of neurons

2500
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,119
in the brain and the connections between

2501
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:57,360
the neurons and so far like there's a

2502
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:58,960
group at mit that

2503
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:01,280
and other places that have simulated the

2504
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:03,679
neurons of a rats brain which is you

2505
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:05,360
know much smaller number of neurons and

2506
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,280
a much smaller number of connections

2507
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:09,600
and then we have in in the human brain

2508
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,199
and so we haven't gotten to the point of

2509
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:13,280
having enough computing power to be able

2510
01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:14,880
to do that but they think that's all you

2511
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:17,119
need to do is exactly simulate all the

2512
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:21,280
firing of the neurons and therefore you

2513
01:38:24,550 --> 01:38:22,239
have

2514
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,560
that person living forever but i think

2515
01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:26,800
it's an open question as to whether that

2516
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:28,719
really is that person or not

2517
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:34,629
you dodged the question

2518
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:37,520
okay let's would you do it

2519
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,520
if everything was right and somebody

2520
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:41,760
said okay we've got a hundred percent

2521
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:45,280
probability that you're gonna be okay

2522
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:47,040
do you pull the trigger would you would

2523
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,719
you go for it

2524
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:50,639
well you know i don't know because

2525
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:52,560
i tend to already believe that we live

2526
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:53,760
forever

2527
01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:57,440
outside of this simulation right so you

2528
01:39:01,270 --> 01:38:59,360
know do i need to be

2529
01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:01,280
resverk for the next

2530
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:05,119
million years or can i go back uh and

2531
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:09,040
reincarnate yeah the player that that is

2532
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:10,239
currently

2533
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,679
uh downloaded into rizver so your answer

2534
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:16,080
is no you wouldn't do it my answer is

2535
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:18,480
probably not yeah i don't think it's

2536
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:20,960
quite as easy as as these people okay

2537
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:22,560
getting back to science fiction there

2538
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:24,400
was a great show a few years ago uh

2539
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,560
called fringe

2540
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,560
saw that yep and they had this idea of

2541
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:30,719
parallel worlds and you know if we want

2542
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:31,840
to get more into physics we can talk

2543
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:34,880
about parallel worlds but at one point

2544
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:37,679
they were trying to transmit uh william

2545
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:39,280
bell who was a character played by

2546
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:40,400
leonard nimoy

2547
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:43,119
his consciousness onto a silicon device

2548
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,000
right

2549
01:39:49,030 --> 01:39:46,480
which they did they actually did

2550
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:49,040
and if you remember in fringe let's

2551
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:51,440
let's stay focused on this you remember

2552
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:55,040
they did about uh a half a season

2553
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:59,030
yeah

2554
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:00,880
do you remember that i don't remember

2555
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:02,719
the animation part it was like it was a

2556
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:03,760
cartoon

2557
01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:06,400
it was a actual they were living in a

2558
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:09,119
simulation they were living in a cartoon

2559
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,040
and it just straight out of warner

2560
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:13,440
brothers right disney and

2561
01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:15,440
and william bell's character leonard

2562
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:16,880
nimoy

2563
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:19,360
and by the end of the season when they

2564
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:23,440
finally got out of the uh simulated

2565
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:26,719
world you were so acclimated to it

2566
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:29,280
that you didn't mind it not being and it

2567
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:31,360
was really really really well done that

2568
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,960
concept

2569
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:34,800
it was and i think they were one of the

2570
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:37,040
best representations of parallel worlds

2571
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:38,639
but if you remember when they tried to

2572
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:40,159
download his consciousness under the

2573
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,320
silicon it actually didn't work what

2574
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,159
happened was his consciousness got

2575
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:46,000
downloaded to the nearest biological

2576
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:48,400
entity which was the character olivia

2577
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:50,639
dunham yes right

2578
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:53,119
and so she ended up being william bell

2579
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,679
right speaking and she was well done she

2580
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:57,600
was speaking like leonard nimoy it was

2581
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:58,719
pretty cool

2582
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:01,199
right and so now we're tying science

2583
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:02,639
fiction

2584
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:04,000
back to this idea of downloading of

2585
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,400
consciousness back to the tibetan yogis

2586
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,960
that i talked about earlier which he was

2587
01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:10,719
you know they were able to download

2588
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:12,159
their consciousness onto another

2589
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:15,119
biological entity uh so you know i think

2590
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:16,639
we're a little bit further away from

2591
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:18,159
being able to download our consciousness

2592
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:20,719
into a silicon device than many people

2593
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:22,320
think but

2594
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:23,600
you know as we start to think of

2595
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:25,920
biological computers that's where it

2596
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:27,199
starts to get interesting and that's

2597
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:29,440
where it seems to be more consistent

2598
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:30,800
with you know what the ancient

2599
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:32,320
traditions have been telling us as well

2600
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:35,679
so you know i probably wouldn't but

2601
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:38,400
even if i did i think it would you know

2602
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:39,840
this this question of whether it's

2603
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:42,080
really me or a copy of me

2604
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:44,239
is an interesting one right well it

2605
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:46,480
would be a way to

2606
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,639
uh solve traveling uh to the stars and

2607
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:52,400
interstellar travel

2608
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:54,880
if you could exist uh you know in in

2609
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:56,480
that world where you don't have to worry

2610
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:57,760
about food

2611
01:42:02,229 --> 01:42:01,040
you know water oxygen and dying for that

2612
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:02,239
matter

2613
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:04,239
right so on the one hand it becomes a

2614
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:06,320
way for you for us to travel the stars

2615
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:07,920
if it's going to take so long to get

2616
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:10,239
there and you know a big part of the

2617
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:11,760
book also talks about different science

2618
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:13,360
fiction and

2619
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:15,199
you know there was this uh

2620
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:17,679
uh netflix series that some of your

2621
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:19,119
viewers may have seen or listeners may

2622
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:21,040
have seen called altered carbon logged

2623
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:22,800
it was based on a series of cyberpunk

2624
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,560
novels that's right and

2625
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:26,960
they had uh what they called a stack

2626
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:29,199
which was a cortical stack that was in

2627
01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:30,880
you know stuck into

2628
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:32,800
the back of your neck and your

2629
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:34,560
consciousness could be downloaded it was

2630
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:36,239
in that stack so you could pull it out

2631
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:38,080
and put it into another body

2632
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:39,920
and you were now inside this other

2633
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:42,000
person's body so you start to get into

2634
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:43,360
this idea of

2635
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:45,280
what is really you

2636
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:46,880
you know is it the information stored in

2637
01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:48,639
this device and and they would beam

2638
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,639
themselves right to another planet

2639
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:52,719
that's how they travel to another planet

2640
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:53,679
quickly

2641
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:55,679
uh was that they would beam themselves

2642
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:57,840
into another cortical stack because it

2643
01:43:01,830 --> 01:42:59,920
was just information you know in that

2644
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:01,840
device and then they would be in another

2645
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:03,920
body and there automatically and so

2646
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:05,360
that's how they got around this problem

2647
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:07,679
of you know it takes so long to try to

2648
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:10,159
travel between stars well and and

2649
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:11,920
staying on the science fiction side

2650
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:13,600
because when you look at

2651
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:16,560
not only philip k dick who

2652
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:18,320
absolutely

2653
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:19,840
wrote a

2654
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:23,199
short story and novel after novel about

2655
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:25,679
exactly this not only simulation but

2656
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,400
parallel worlds and right now we've got

2657
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:30,960
uh what's that new series uh the man in

2658
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:33,280
the high castle right so that that's out

2659
01:43:37,669 --> 01:43:35,280
there we've got counterpart

2660
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,679
counterpart which is really really good

2661
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:39,760
i don't know it's on showtime or hbo i

2662
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,480
can't remember and we just stuff stars

2663
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:44,480
yeah yeah starts it's on starts and it's

2664
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:46,560
it's it's really really good okay you

2665
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:48,880
just mentioned fringe and then

2666
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:50,400
we're talking about the matrix but we

2667
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:53,679
can go all the way back to the holodeck

2668
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:56,080
right and and living in and the way that

2669
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:58,239
orville uh presents it they've got the

2670
01:44:03,189 --> 01:44:01,360
semi simulation room so it seems it's

2671
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:03,199
seen exactly you know that's when i

2672
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:04,880
first started to think a little bit more

2673
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:07,840
seriously about this uh was when i saw

2674
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,400
star trek and the holodeck

2675
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:12,960
and there was one episode early on i

2676
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:15,040
remember it kind of blew my mind where

2677
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:17,199
they were doing a sherlock holmes

2678
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:19,760
simulation in the holodeck and one of

2679
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:21,440
the characters

2680
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:24,159
who was based on professor moriarty from

2681
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:26,159
the original sherlock holmes novels he

2682
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,840
realized that some of the people in the

2683
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:29,440
simulation

2684
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:32,719
were not from the holodeck and that they

2685
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:36,080
existed out there outside the holiday so

2686
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:37,840
he actually realized that there was a

2687
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:40,159
world outside the simulation whereas the

2688
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:41,440
rest of the

2689
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:44,000
characters were ai so in video games we

2690
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:45,360
have this idea of player characters

2691
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:47,119
which we've talked a lot about but we

2692
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:49,040
also have this idea of

2693
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:51,840
npcs or non-player characters who are

2694
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:54,000
the ais within video games and people we

2695
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:55,920
can interact with and so the holodeck

2696
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:58,400
characters were kind of like npcs but

2697
01:45:02,470 --> 01:45:00,400
this npc was smart enough to just to

2698
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:02,480
realize that there was a world out there

2699
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:04,880
and he wanted to go out

2700
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,520
of of the holodeck but he couldn't

2701
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:09,840
because he was just an npc and then that

2702
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:11,119
gets back to this debate of whether

2703
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,040
we're ai or we're actually conscious

2704
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:15,360
beings playing a character in it now i

2705
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:16,639
don't know if you remember

2706
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:19,360
in star trek there was an there was

2707
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:21,440
another episode with him in there but

2708
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:23,600
basically they took him out of the

2709
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:24,800
holodeck

2710
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:26,639
and so he thought he was in the actual

2711
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:28,480
ship but turns out he was in another

2712
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:29,600
simulation

2713
01:45:33,910 --> 01:45:31,199
and that's how they kind of kept him

2714
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:33,920
alive you know within that and so it's a

2715
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:34,800
very

2716
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:36,880
common concept within a lot of science

2717
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:38,320
fiction but that was one that really got

2718
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:40,320
me thinking about huh what if we're

2719
01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:43,199
inside a holodeck could we realize that

2720
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:44,960
there's this world you know outside the

2721
01:45:50,790 --> 01:45:47,840
holodeck and what as we

2722
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:50,800
you just mentioned ai and ai has gotten

2723
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:52,560
to the point now

2724
01:45:55,990 --> 01:45:53,360
uh

2725
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:56,000
here in 2019 where i don't even think

2726
01:46:01,510 --> 01:45:58,000
that we thought that we would be here

2727
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:01,520
two years ago where ai is really

2728
01:46:04,629 --> 01:46:03,520
starting to get we're getting out of

2729
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:04,639
general

2730
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:07,040
uh intelligence into

2731
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:09,520
some some pretty frightening

2732
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:11,600
levels of ai

2733
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,159
and is that part of the simulation and

2734
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:16,639
living in that world and if we get to

2735
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:19,440
that point where the turing test isn't

2736
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:22,320
even uh it isn't even mentioned anymore

2737
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:24,159
right

2738
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:25,520
you know and so for people who don't

2739
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:26,880
know what the turing test is you know

2740
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:29,360
it's alan turing was a

2741
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:31,360
mathematician computer scientist

2742
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:33,679
um you know in england and he came up

2743
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:34,480
with

2744
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:36,960
this idea of a game where

2745
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:39,440
behind a curtain there would be a

2746
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,560
computer

2747
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:42,239
and there would be a real person and you

2748
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:44,560
would send messages back and forth

2749
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:48,239
between yourself and person or a versus

2750
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:49,360
person b

2751
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:50,400
and

2752
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:52,000
if you could not tell which one was the

2753
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:54,000
computer and which one was a real human

2754
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:54,960
being

2755
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:56,400
then ai would have gotten to the point

2756
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:57,920
where it can basically impersonate a

2757
01:47:01,350 --> 01:46:59,520
human being

2758
01:47:02,629 --> 01:47:01,360
we're not there yet that's right we

2759
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:02,639
haven't yet

2760
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:05,040
passed the turing test in a generalized

2761
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:07,119
way but you know one of the the ten

2762
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:10,080
stages that i lay out in the book of of

2763
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:12,480
getting to the simulation point is

2764
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:14,639
a.i and it's this idea of being able to

2765
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:15,600
simulate

2766
01:47:21,189 --> 01:47:18,800
realistic characters you know within

2767
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:21,199
uh the simulation and then the second

2768
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:22,880
part of that is

2769
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:24,480
if they're realistic characters can we

2770
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:25,600
also have

2771
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:27,119
false memories

2772
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:28,159
as well

2773
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:30,719
right and and and that's an area where

2774
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:32,960
you know philip k dick's work is is

2775
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:36,320
quite interesting um and stephen hawking

2776
01:47:39,669 --> 01:47:37,920
you know talks about

2777
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:39,679
this idea of

2778
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:41,600
within a black hole

2779
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:43,520
information sometimes goes in and

2780
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:45,679
doesn't come out and so he says that

2781
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:47,520
that means determinism breaks down and

2782
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:49,520
if determinism breaks down

2783
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:51,280
we can't know our past which is

2784
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:52,800
basically the same as

2785
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:54,719
false memories or implanted memories

2786
01:47:59,669 --> 01:47:56,000
there's a great scene in the blade

2787
01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:59,679
runner in in you know adaptation of

2788
01:48:03,109 --> 01:48:01,360
philip k dick's to android's dream of

2789
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:03,119
electric cheap where there's an android

2790
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:04,320
and she doesn't know she's an android

2791
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:07,440
because she has real memories right

2792
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:08,400
and

2793
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:10,000
that scene

2794
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:12,560
speaking about this in the matrix

2795
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:15,679
where neo's walking down the street in

2796
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:17,840
the crowd and the lady in the red dress

2797
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:19,600
walks by

2798
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:20,639
she's

2799
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:24,719
and uh

2800
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:25,920
uh

2801
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,320
what's his name that creates her i

2802
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,880
forget his name uh

2803
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:34,719
his name is well yeah

2804
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:37,840
what's his name rat oh man anyway he

2805
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:39,840
goes uh you want to meet her

2806
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:42,400
right and that that's that's an example

2807
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:44,800
of of an ai uh

2808
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:47,600
that would be needed in a simulation

2809
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:49,440
world like this which is presented in

2810
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:51,119
the matrix

2811
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:54,080
that's right and so those ais

2812
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:56,080
we're getting closer i don't know if you

2813
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:58,719
saw this but recently they had

2814
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:00,880
uh these virtual

2815
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:03,600
influencers very popular in asia where

2816
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:05,360
their youtube videos being made by these

2817
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:08,320
virtual characters and in china the

2818
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:11,840
state news agency released a virtual

2819
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:14,159
news anchor who can basically read the

2820
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,760
news and it looks like an actual person

2821
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:17,760
i mean we're far from you know max

2822
01:49:22,730 --> 01:49:20,480
headroom right back in the

2823
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:22,740
the 80s uh but actually

2824
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:23,840
[Music]

2825
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:25,920
you it's very hard to tell

2826
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:28,480
that this isn't a real person

2827
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,840
that is reading the news now in this

2828
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:31,679
case it's not full ai because it's just

2829
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:33,199
reading the news

2830
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:34,320
but we're getting there and in the

2831
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:37,119
matrix you know ai is a big part

2832
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:39,360
of that movie and the mythology around

2833
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:40,080
it

2834
01:49:46,629 --> 01:49:44,960
an ai

2835
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:46,639
the computer program

2836
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:49,520
who basically decides who who's there to

2837
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:52,320
try to keep order in the matrix but i

2838
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:53,520
forget which movie it was maybe the

2839
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:55,920
second movie where he projects himself

2840
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:57,760
onto all of the people in the matrix

2841
01:50:01,910 --> 01:50:00,080
right remember that yes where everyone

2842
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:01,920
becomes looks like uh

2843
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:04,000
uh who is it uh hugo hugo weaving i

2844
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:06,239
think because uh agents

2845
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:08,719
agent smith and so it's an agent that's

2846
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:11,280
replicating itself you know throughout

2847
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:12,639
the simulation

2848
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:15,280
and so you know ai is very much

2849
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:17,920
you know a fundamental part of

2850
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:19,040
being able to create realistic

2851
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,719
simulations that are indistinguishable

2852
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:22,880
from reality but also i mentioned the

2853
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:24,800
simulation argument which is all about

2854
01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:27,440
ai which is the fact that all the beings

2855
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:29,600
inside simulations are actually ai and

2856
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:32,480
not biological beings i i don't

2857
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:35,119
personally buy that side of it but

2858
01:50:38,229 --> 01:50:36,480
the fact that we could be interacting

2859
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:38,239
with people

2860
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:40,400
and the fact that we might have memories

2861
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:41,920
that are false

2862
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:44,639
that have been implanted using code or

2863
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,360
data and we're getting there so at mit

2864
01:50:50,229 --> 01:50:49,440
there was a group in the brain science

2865
01:50:53,109 --> 01:50:50,239
group

2866
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:53,119
where they were able to implant

2867
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:55,840
false memory inside a rat

2868
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:57,920
using an electrical stimulation now this

2869
01:51:01,669 --> 01:51:00,320
is just the memory it's a false memory

2870
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,679
of you know whether you should go left

2871
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:03,760
or right so it's a very simple thing but

2872
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:05,679
they said the neurological structure of

2873
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:07,840
that false memory

2874
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:10,159
was actually very similar

2875
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:10,960
to

2876
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:12,880
what a real memory would look like and

2877
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:14,400
so you know we're still

2878
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:16,080
years if not decades away from being

2879
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:17,520
able to do that

2880
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:19,760
but if we get to that point where we can

2881
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:22,639
place false memories who's to say that a

2882
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:24,400
more advanced civilization hasn't

2883
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:26,080
already done that

2884
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:27,440
just like

2885
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,520
going back to the tibetan traditions in

2886
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:31,199
a dream i mean we've all had dreams

2887
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:32,960
where we remembered stuff

2888
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:34,400
then when you wake up you realize that's

2889
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:36,560
not a real memory that was a memory

2890
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:39,520
from within that dream world and of that

2891
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:41,520
character it's like the backstories you

2892
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:45,679
know in in in npcs within video games

2893
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:48,239
that can be like false memories and so

2894
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:50,719
you know it's all related to this idea

2895
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:52,880
of virtual characters and what's real

2896
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:54,639
and what's not and that's you know

2897
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,800
what's great about phil okay dick's work

2898
01:51:59,589 --> 01:51:58,400
is it was very much and when i

2899
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:59,599
interviewed tessa you know she said it's

2900
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:01,440
very much about what is real and what

2901
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:02,480
isn't

2902
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:04,480
and you know she mentioned that

2903
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,480
with the man in the high castle

2904
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:08,000
you know he actually

2905
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:09,679
remembered

2906
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:10,560
a

2907
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:12,000
timeline where

2908
01:52:16,629 --> 01:52:14,560
the axis powers won the war

2909
01:52:18,310 --> 01:52:16,639
and she said that he believed someone

2910
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,320
rewound that simulation because they

2911
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,400
didn't like that result and then got us

2912
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:22,080
on our current timeline

2913
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,320
well if we're in a simulated reality

2914
01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:26,400
then you can do things like that you can

2915
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:28,159
rewind the timeline

2916
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:29,599
and then forward it again and i have the

2917
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:31,520
transcript you know of our interview up

2918
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:34,400
uh if if somebody just does a search on

2919
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:36,880
philip k dick the matrix uh a

2920
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:38,880
conversation that i had with tessa and

2921
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:41,520
she talks more about that now what would

2922
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:42,880
happen

2923
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:46,000
uh i mean how would we discover

2924
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:48,320
that we are actually living in a

2925
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:50,560
simulation would it be a glitch in the

2926
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:52,159
code

2927
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:54,000
you know something that we could react

2928
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:57,280
to i mean would that be free will

2929
01:53:00,870 --> 01:52:58,880
you know what i mean that would take us

2930
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:00,880
off of the

2931
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:04,880
said code of the simulation and then

2932
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:07,840
would reveal itself to us and then we

2933
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:10,880
could react to it in a free will sense

2934
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:13,599
because we're rendering in real time

2935
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:14,960
right

2936
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:16,960
with that would that would that freak us

2937
01:53:19,990 --> 01:53:18,080
out

2938
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:20,000
well i think that that would and that's

2939
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:21,760
you know i mentioned you know jacques

2940
01:53:26,070 --> 01:53:23,440
vale earlier and

2941
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:26,080
you know he believes as many people do

2942
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:28,880
that synchronicity

2943
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:31,119
is like a glitch in the matrix and that

2944
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:33,679
it's stored based on association

2945
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:35,520
right that information when you store

2946
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:37,599
information in the database

2947
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:39,440
you store it based on how things are

2948
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:41,040
associated and so

2949
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:43,119
you know these are like little glitches

2950
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:44,719
in the matrix and some people believe

2951
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:48,159
the mandela effect is basically evidence

2952
01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:49,119
that

2953
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:51,760
reality can be unwound

2954
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:54,480
and then we move forward now i don't

2955
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:55,840
know if you've seen the adjustment

2956
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:57,599
bureau i have

2957
01:54:02,310 --> 01:53:59,360
which was based on you know philip k

2958
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:02,320
dick's short story the adjustment team

2959
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:04,719
and in that you know they

2960
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:06,560
what happened was they froze like an

2961
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:09,679
entire building in in the story itself

2962
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:12,320
and then they changed people's memories

2963
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:14,239
and then they re forwarded those

2964
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:16,239
characters so those characters only

2965
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:18,320
remember the new way they didn't

2966
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:20,159
remember what had happened before but

2967
01:54:23,669 --> 01:54:22,400
you know the main character was supposed

2968
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:23,679
to be in the building and he wasn't he

2969
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:24,880
walked in on them while they were

2970
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:26,320
adjusting everybody

2971
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:28,880
and he remembered both the old way

2972
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:31,679
things used to be and the new way and

2973
01:54:35,189 --> 01:54:32,800
it's slightly different from the movie

2974
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:35,199
but this is from the actual novel itself

2975
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:38,159
i mean the short story itself and and

2976
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:40,320
that was you know a case where you've

2977
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:41,199
got

2978
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:42,719
someone remembering something that's

2979
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:44,080
different from what everybody else

2980
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:46,639
remembers so it gets back to this idea

2981
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:48,880
of false memory so that's one way

2982
01:54:52,629 --> 01:54:50,639
of detecting it

2983
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:52,639
another way is that there's a series of

2984
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:55,040
physicists who believe that you know as

2985
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:58,320
we do more delayed choice experiments

2986
01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:01,760
so there's a physicist named

2987
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:03,440
tom campbell who wrote a book called my

2988
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:04,880
big toe

2989
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:07,040
my big theory of everything and and you

2990
01:55:11,189 --> 01:55:08,480
know they are doing some experiments

2991
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:11,199
with some folks at caltech to show that

2992
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:13,520
in fact the world is rendered only when

2993
01:55:18,229 --> 01:55:16,000
we observe it i mean that's been true at

2994
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:18,239
the sub-atomic level but they wanted to

2995
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:21,040
do a series of of experiments

2996
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:22,400
you know which build on the delayed

2997
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:23,679
choice experiment i was talking about

2998
01:55:28,550 --> 01:55:25,920
earlier where you don't make the choice

2999
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:28,560
until three steps down the road and so

3000
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,719
if they can verify that all those three

3001
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:33,199
steps aren't rendered until the choice

3002
01:55:36,870 --> 01:55:35,280
is made you know they believe you can

3003
01:55:39,350 --> 01:55:36,880
prove that it's just like a video game

3004
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:39,360
so that's another way now there's yet a

3005
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:41,440
different way some people believe we can

3006
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:43,440
sense we can detect

3007
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:45,360
that we have pixels

3008
01:55:50,149 --> 01:55:47,599
right so pixels are the the basis of

3009
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:50,159
rendered worlds in in our video games

3010
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:52,719
and so the question is

3011
01:55:56,550 --> 01:55:55,360
is the physical universe pixelated right

3012
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:56,560
right

3013
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:58,960
and and many people think that it is i

3014
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:00,400
mean i remember

3015
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:03,280
first hearing about zeno's paradox

3016
01:56:07,750 --> 01:56:06,159
right which is a greek philosopher who

3017
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:07,760
had many paradoxes but one of his main

3018
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:09,199
paradoxes was

3019
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:11,920
with achilles and a tortoise

3020
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:13,520
and he said if achilles needs to catch

3021
01:56:16,790 --> 01:56:15,679
up to the tortoise first he has to get

3022
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:16,800
halfway

3023
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:18,400
to you know between himself and the

3024
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:20,400
tortoise and then he has to get halfway

3025
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:21,599
between that

3026
01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:26,400
distance was continuous you could always

3027
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,719
go halfway and you would never quite

3028
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:30,239
reach it the same idea of how do you

3029
01:56:35,430 --> 01:56:32,719
actually touch the wall with your finger

3030
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:35,440
because you always have to go halfway

3031
01:56:39,189 --> 01:56:37,599
and so at some point

3032
01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:39,199
there has to be something that says okay

3033
01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:40,960
you've gone over the the smallest

3034
01:56:45,030 --> 01:56:42,880
possible limit

3035
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:45,040
to to fill the gap otherwise you would

3036
01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:46,239
just keep going half and half and half

3037
01:56:50,229 --> 01:56:47,440
forever

3038
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add infinitum and that smallest

3039
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:52,880
point would be like a pixelization

3040
01:56:57,750 --> 01:56:55,280
of space and it turns out there is a

3041
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:57,760
value like that it's plank's constant

3042
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and below that value

3043
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they can't measure anything so nothing

3044
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is reliable so it's considered kind of

3045
01:57:09,589 --> 01:57:06,239
the smallest measurable value but it's

3046
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based on the speed of light

3047
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that's how he derived you know that

3048
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:14,560
specific value and so

3049
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if we think of pixels in a video game

3050
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they're individual pixels

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that are lit up right

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based upon

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some information

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that's stored in the computer that says

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you know i'm in the house and the models

3056
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say i need to render this specific set

3057
01:57:34,629 --> 01:57:32,719
of pixels

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and so some people think we can detect

3059
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the pixels by looking at the structure

3060
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:39,520
so that's yet another way to try to

3061
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detect you know if we're actually inside

3062
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a computer simulated world some people

3063
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think fractal algorithms are are

3064
01:57:52,390 --> 01:57:48,080
evidence of computation there yeah i i

3065
01:57:55,109 --> 01:57:52,400
saw this debated with uh uh brian green

3066
01:57:57,910 --> 01:57:55,119
and the evidence presented forward about

3067
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:57,920
uh us being pixels all the way around

3068
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everything that you look

3069
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it was fascinating we're going to

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all you got to do is look it up i just

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uh there there's uh a still from some of

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the episodes of fringe that were in

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animation that were incredible all you

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got to do is search it uh fringe

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animation episodes and you'll get

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thousands of images but there's one

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there and i wanted to say this uh this

3192
02:03:55,430 --> 02:03:52,960
is where i want to go next uh some of

3193
02:03:59,350 --> 02:03:55,440
the philosophical sides of

3194
02:04:02,709 --> 02:03:59,360
of of the simulation hypothesis

3195
02:04:03,990 --> 02:04:02,719
at universal studios here in los angeles

3196
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ris

3197
02:04:08,229 --> 02:04:06,320
and city walk they used to have they

3198
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don't have them anymore but they for

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years they had these

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four virtual roller coasters that you

3201
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:14,960
could ride and one was like in a mine

3202
02:04:18,790 --> 02:04:17,440
shaft and one was in outer space and one

3203
02:04:21,350 --> 02:04:18,800
was you know whatever and one was

3204
02:04:22,790 --> 02:04:21,360
traditional but they were free if you

3205
02:04:25,109 --> 02:04:22,800
went uh

3206
02:04:27,109 --> 02:04:25,119
uh you know paid for city walk you could

3207
02:04:29,109 --> 02:04:27,119
ride these right and me and my friends

3208
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:29,119
we would just ride them one after

3209
02:04:33,430 --> 02:04:31,360
another we'd come off and

3210
02:04:34,870 --> 02:04:33,440
it was virtual you're sitting in a chair

3211
02:04:37,589 --> 02:04:34,880
that's moving

3212
02:04:39,350 --> 02:04:37,599
right and you've got this 3d surround of

3213
02:04:42,229 --> 02:04:39,360
this roller coaster and the noise and

3214
02:04:45,109 --> 02:04:42,239
the clanking and everything but i didn't

3215
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:45,119
care it wasn't a real roller coaster

3216
02:04:50,790 --> 02:04:47,840
but it was just as exciting

3217
02:04:53,510 --> 02:04:50,800
if it felt right it felt real now if

3218
02:04:55,910 --> 02:04:53,520
we're living in a simulation

3219
02:04:57,669 --> 02:04:55,920
do we care

3220
02:04:59,589 --> 02:04:57,679
well that's an interesting question you

3221
02:05:01,430 --> 02:04:59,599
know that reminds me

3222
02:05:04,070 --> 02:05:01,440
of the back to the future ride at uh

3223
02:05:05,270 --> 02:05:04,080
universal studios in florida

3224
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:05,280
which i don't know if they still have it

3225
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:07,840
there but you were in you know the

3226
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:10,960
delorean and you were basically it would

3227
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:14,320
move left and right so it has kind of

3228
02:05:17,669 --> 02:05:16,320
what we consider a haptic

3229
02:05:19,669 --> 02:05:17,679
or kinesthetic

3230
02:05:22,229 --> 02:05:19,679
responses you know kind of like in a

3231
02:05:23,990 --> 02:05:22,239
movie theater where they've got the

3232
02:05:25,350 --> 02:05:24,000
the chairs that vibrate you know and

3233
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:25,360
there's an explosion

3234
02:05:30,470 --> 02:05:28,320
on the screen and so you know i think

3235
02:05:31,430 --> 02:05:30,480
art technology

3236
02:05:33,030 --> 02:05:31,440
you know

3237
02:05:35,510 --> 02:05:33,040
i'm a video game guy

3238
02:05:37,589 --> 02:05:35,520
and our technology is getting to that

3239
02:05:39,990 --> 02:05:37,599
point where in you know i mentioned the

3240
02:05:41,589 --> 02:05:40,000
ping-pong game earlier where i thought i

3241
02:05:43,270 --> 02:05:41,599
was really there

3242
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:43,280
but if you look at something like ready

3243
02:05:46,709 --> 02:05:44,480
player one

3244
02:05:48,629 --> 02:05:46,719
um you know the movie that came out from

3245
02:05:49,910 --> 02:05:48,639
steven spielberg last year and based on

3246
02:05:51,750 --> 02:05:49,920
the book by uh

3247
02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:51,760
ernest cline

3248
02:05:56,070 --> 02:05:54,560
they had they would wear haptic suits

3249
02:05:58,390 --> 02:05:56,080
while they were inside the virtual

3250
02:05:59,990 --> 02:05:58,400
reality right so they could feel if they

3251
02:06:02,070 --> 02:06:00,000
were being punched and they were they

3252
02:06:03,830 --> 02:06:02,080
would be on these treadmills these

3253
02:06:06,070 --> 02:06:03,840
omnidirectional treadmills so they could

3254
02:06:07,990 --> 02:06:06,080
feel like they were actually moving

3255
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:08,000
and many people preferred the reality

3256
02:06:12,070 --> 02:06:09,840
inside the oasis

3257
02:06:13,669 --> 02:06:12,080
you know to the physical reality that

3258
02:06:15,189 --> 02:06:13,679
was described in the novel which is kind

3259
02:06:18,149 --> 02:06:15,199
of a dystopian

3260
02:06:20,070 --> 02:06:18,159
future and so you know it's it's an

3261
02:06:22,390 --> 02:06:20,080
interesting question

3262
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:22,400
um what does it matter i mean what does

3263
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:24,480
it matter if uh

3264
02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:26,800
you feel the same emotions you're still

3265
02:06:31,589 --> 02:06:28,800
dealing with the implications of

3266
02:06:33,990 --> 02:06:31,599
breaking the law or murder or morals and

3267
02:06:36,709 --> 02:06:34,000
ethics and of course food and

3268
02:06:38,390 --> 02:06:36,719
experiences and dreams and

3269
02:06:40,550 --> 02:06:38,400
and everything if if

3270
02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:40,560
what what would it matter

3271
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:43,360
should we care would you care

3272
02:06:48,069 --> 02:06:46,320
yeah i personally would uh but you know

3273
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:48,079
it's a it's a question that many people

3274
02:06:52,069 --> 02:06:50,159
ask and it's one of the

3275
02:06:53,830 --> 02:06:52,079
the areas that you know in simulation

3276
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:53,840
hypothesis you get a certain percentage

3277
02:06:59,350 --> 02:06:56,320
of people so i get interesting reactions

3278
02:07:01,669 --> 02:06:59,360
when i talk about this right there are

3279
02:07:03,589 --> 02:07:01,679
uh some of the scientists who say oh

3280
02:07:04,870 --> 02:07:03,599
that's just like religion therefore you

3281
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:04,880
know we don't want you know we don't

3282
02:07:08,950 --> 02:07:06,719
want to take it seriously

3283
02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:08,960
and then sometimes you go far on the

3284
02:07:11,669 --> 02:07:10,800
religious consciousness side and they

3285
02:07:14,629 --> 02:07:11,679
say

3286
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:14,639
oh that's just a i and we're not ai

3287
02:07:17,510 --> 02:07:16,079
we're conscious beings therefore we

3288
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:17,520
can't take the simulation hypothesis

3289
02:07:22,229 --> 02:07:20,480
seriously and it's when you've got

3290
02:07:23,589 --> 02:07:22,239
you know both sides kind of unhappy with

3291
02:07:24,790 --> 02:07:23,599
it that i know we must be on to

3292
02:07:27,350 --> 02:07:24,800
something here

3293
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:27,360
that we're really bridging this this gap

3294
02:07:31,189 --> 02:07:29,520
but then the third reaction sometimes is

3295
02:07:32,149 --> 02:07:31,199
well what does it matter let's forget

3296
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:32,159
about it

3297
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:33,440
but wouldn't you want to know if you

3298
02:07:37,350 --> 02:07:35,280
were inside a holodeck

3299
02:07:38,950 --> 02:07:37,360
right to know that there was an actual

3300
02:07:42,550 --> 02:07:38,960
spaceship enterprise outside the

3301
02:07:44,390 --> 02:07:42,560
holodeck i think it it can give you a

3302
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:44,400
sense of perspective

3303
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:45,840
not unlike

3304
02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:47,760
you know what

3305
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:48,880
people who've had a near-death

3306
02:07:52,229 --> 02:07:49,920
experience

3307
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:52,239
right they get a perspective on what's

3308
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:53,440
going on

3309
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:55,920
in their lives and it helps them

3310
02:07:59,830 --> 02:07:58,400
to act a certain way and helps them to

3311
02:08:02,229 --> 02:07:59,840
make progress in the video game i mean

3312
02:08:04,069 --> 02:08:02,239
if you were inside a video game

3313
02:08:05,189 --> 02:08:04,079
wouldn't it help you to know what

3314
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:05,199
elements

3315
02:08:10,470 --> 02:08:08,000
were being used to keep score what your

3316
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:10,480
quests or achievements are

3317
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:13,280
versus thinking it's just all pointless

3318
02:08:17,589 --> 02:08:15,520
so i personally would want to know but

3319
02:08:20,550 --> 02:08:17,599
maybe not everyone would want to know

3320
02:08:22,310 --> 02:08:20,560
if the universe is

3321
02:08:24,629 --> 02:08:22,320
math

3322
02:08:26,149 --> 02:08:24,639
right that's all it is the universe is

3323
02:08:29,430 --> 02:08:26,159
nothing but

3324
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:29,440
math and things are going to happen

3325
02:08:32,870 --> 02:08:30,880
the way that they're going to happen

3326
02:08:33,910 --> 02:08:32,880
which brings up the question of free

3327
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:33,920
will

3328
02:08:37,589 --> 02:08:34,880
and

3329
02:08:39,910 --> 02:08:37,599
or not that everything is predetermined

3330
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:39,920
and if that is indeed the case now we

3331
02:08:45,030 --> 02:08:42,079
are talking about numbers

3332
02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:45,040
and what we are doing right now

3333
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:49,920
is can't be anything but a simulation

3334
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:51,760
right so this gets back to that kind of

3335
02:08:55,189 --> 02:08:53,199
central debate

3336
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:55,199
amongst simulation theorists i don't

3337
02:08:58,629 --> 02:08:57,360
know if there actually is is such a term

3338
02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:58,639
but there are certainly people that love

3339
02:09:01,750 --> 02:09:00,719
to debate this stuff online

3340
02:09:04,390 --> 02:09:01,760
um

3341
02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:04,400
that whether we are in fact

3342
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:05,679
ai

3343
02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:07,520
or not and

3344
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:10,480
this is where we're tying to

3345
02:09:14,229 --> 02:09:12,400
this idea of

3346
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:14,239
why do you need a computer simulation

3347
02:09:18,149 --> 02:09:15,920
for anything

3348
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:18,159
and there's a concept called

3349
02:09:23,830 --> 02:09:21,440
computational irreducibility

3350
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:23,840
and you know this was popularized by

3351
02:09:26,790 --> 02:09:25,040
stephen wolfram who created the

3352
02:09:28,229 --> 02:09:26,800
mathematica software

3353
02:09:30,310 --> 02:09:28,239
uh but you know it's been around for a

3354
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:30,320
while and it ties into ideas of chaos

3355
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:31,599
therian

3356
02:09:35,430 --> 02:09:33,440
chaos theory came about because people

3357
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:35,440
realize that even if you have a purely

3358
02:09:38,950 --> 02:09:37,760
deterministic

3359
02:09:40,390 --> 02:09:38,960
model

3360
02:09:42,470 --> 02:09:40,400
that says

3361
02:09:44,470 --> 02:09:42,480
you know a set of equations

3362
02:09:47,030 --> 02:09:44,480
x equals x plus one and you keep running

3363
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:47,040
it again and again and again

3364
02:09:52,390 --> 02:09:49,599
for you to know what is going to happen

3365
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:52,400
at the 50 millionth step you can't just

3366
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:54,719
calculate it you have to actually run

3367
02:10:00,950 --> 02:09:57,840
the program 50 million times and that

3368
02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:00,960
even a slight change in the input

3369
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:03,040
variables can result in a vastly

3370
02:10:06,790 --> 02:10:04,000
different

3371
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:06,800
outcome this is when people try to

3372
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:08,239
predict the weather for example this is

3373
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:09,679
why they were so bad at it for a while

3374
02:10:13,830 --> 02:10:12,000
but as computational power

3375
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:13,840
started to get better they've started to

3376
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:15,360
become better at predicting at least

3377
02:10:18,310 --> 02:10:17,199
within a few days right we still can't

3378
02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:18,320
predict what the weather is going to be

3379
02:10:21,350 --> 02:10:19,280
like

3380
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:21,360
a year from now exactly on this day at

3381
02:10:23,589 --> 02:10:22,480
this time

3382
02:10:25,109 --> 02:10:23,599
that's because there are so many

3383
02:10:26,550 --> 02:10:25,119
variables

3384
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:26,560
to simulate but but it's a

3385
02:10:31,189 --> 02:10:28,400
computationally irreducible problem in

3386
02:10:33,589 --> 02:10:31,199
that you have to compute it and so if

3387
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:33,599
that's the case with the simulation even

3388
02:10:37,109 --> 02:10:35,760
if we're in a simulation

3389
02:10:38,790 --> 02:10:37,119
where the initial variables are

3390
02:10:40,069 --> 02:10:38,800
determined the reason you run the

3391
02:10:41,669 --> 02:10:40,079
simulation is

3392
02:10:44,629 --> 02:10:41,679
there you need

3393
02:10:46,709 --> 02:10:44,639
account for little minute changes to see

3394
02:10:47,910 --> 02:10:46,719
where they would end up and and to a

3395
02:10:49,510 --> 02:10:47,920
certain extent

3396
02:10:51,189 --> 02:10:49,520
you know this is what uh tessa was

3397
02:10:53,589 --> 02:10:51,199
telling us about philip k dick where he

3398
02:10:55,189 --> 02:10:53,599
believed that there were some beings

3399
02:10:56,390 --> 02:10:55,199
whether they were from the future or who

3400
02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:56,400
knows where

3401
02:10:59,350 --> 02:10:57,440
they would

3402
02:11:00,470 --> 02:10:59,360
run the simulation to see where it led

3403
02:11:02,149 --> 02:11:00,480
and then they say well they weren't

3404
02:11:03,990 --> 02:11:02,159
happy with an outcome and they would

3405
02:11:05,750 --> 02:11:04,000
rewind the simulation

3406
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:05,760
to go in a different direction

3407
02:11:10,550 --> 02:11:07,920
um so there has to be some element of

3408
02:11:12,709 --> 02:11:10,560
randomness or free choice there and you

3409
02:11:14,069 --> 02:11:12,719
know i tend to be believe that just like

3410
02:11:15,910 --> 02:11:14,079
a video game

3411
02:11:18,470 --> 02:11:15,920
there may be limited choices but you are

3412
02:11:21,189 --> 02:11:18,480
free to kill the orc or not in the video

3413
02:11:23,589 --> 02:11:21,199
game so the player who is controlling

3414
02:11:25,350 --> 02:11:23,599
the character does have the option of

3415
02:11:27,430 --> 02:11:25,360
changing things and that leads to a

3416
02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:27,440
different result in the simulation

3417
02:11:31,270 --> 02:11:29,920
itself well if we

3418
02:11:33,430 --> 02:11:31,280
if we

3419
02:11:36,229 --> 02:11:33,440
accept the

3420
02:11:39,270 --> 02:11:36,239
simulation hypothesis let's let's go

3421
02:11:40,790 --> 02:11:39,280
there for a second and let's table that

3422
02:11:44,149 --> 02:11:40,800
then

3423
02:11:47,750 --> 02:11:44,159
the question of parallel worlds and and

3424
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:47,760
the multiverse the one aspect that is

3425
02:11:53,830 --> 02:11:50,880
always up for debate is the physicality

3426
02:11:56,229 --> 02:11:53,840
of said parallel world how could that be

3427
02:11:58,790 --> 02:11:56,239
possible an alternate timeline that's

3428
02:12:01,510 --> 02:11:58,800
just like our world that's just a little

3429
02:12:04,470 --> 02:12:01,520
bit different but it exists

3430
02:12:05,669 --> 02:12:04,480
well that would answer the physical side

3431
02:12:08,790 --> 02:12:05,679
of it

3432
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:08,800
right that it's just a simulation it's

3433
02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:10,960
not a physical

3434
02:12:15,589 --> 02:12:13,360
parallel world and

3435
02:12:16,870 --> 02:12:15,599
and and the the multiverses that would

3436
02:12:19,430 --> 02:12:16,880
be out there

3437
02:12:21,510 --> 02:12:19,440
it's just a simulation

3438
02:12:22,870 --> 02:12:21,520
right so if you think about

3439
02:12:25,030 --> 02:12:22,880
uh if

3440
02:12:26,390 --> 02:12:25,040
the parallel worlds or the many worlds

3441
02:12:28,629 --> 02:12:26,400
interpretation

3442
02:12:30,069 --> 02:12:28,639
of quantum physics is that every time

3443
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:30,079
there's a choice

3444
02:12:33,750 --> 02:12:32,880
where the universe is actually branching

3445
02:12:34,950 --> 02:12:33,760
into

3446
02:12:36,310 --> 02:12:34,960
two different universes and then you

3447
02:12:37,910 --> 02:12:36,320
have another choice and it's branching

3448
02:12:40,550 --> 02:12:37,920
into two different universes right right

3449
02:12:42,629 --> 02:12:40,560
right on and on and on so there's an

3450
02:12:44,470 --> 02:12:42,639
almost infinite

3451
02:12:46,229 --> 02:12:44,480
set of worlds stephen hawking said it's

3452
02:12:48,069 --> 02:12:46,239
not infinite because there are only so

3453
02:12:49,669 --> 02:12:48,079
many particles that you can arrange in

3454
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:49,679
so many ways but it's a very large

3455
02:12:54,629 --> 02:12:52,800
number in any case well turns out the

3456
02:12:56,709 --> 02:12:54,639
only way to do that you would have to

3457
02:12:59,669 --> 02:12:56,719
clone

3458
02:13:00,709 --> 02:12:59,679
the existing world right our physical

3459
02:13:03,270 --> 02:13:00,719
world

3460
02:13:04,149 --> 02:13:03,280
and then have it go off in a slightly

3461
02:13:06,069 --> 02:13:04,159
different direction then you would have

3462
02:13:07,350 --> 02:13:06,079
to clone that again

3463
02:13:09,189 --> 02:13:07,360
now

3464
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:09,199
that's pretty easy to do

3465
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:11,360
on a video game server right

3466
02:13:15,510 --> 02:13:13,199
we can clone you know we can take a

3467
02:13:17,669 --> 02:13:15,520
world of warcraft server and say this is

3468
02:13:19,510 --> 02:13:17,679
the status and let's make another copy

3469
02:13:22,229 --> 02:13:19,520
of it on another server and then we can

3470
02:13:24,550 --> 02:13:22,239
let that run independently so that then

3471
02:13:26,069 --> 02:13:24,560
people can make different choices

3472
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:26,079
but in fact

3473
02:13:30,709 --> 02:13:28,239
you know in computer science

3474
02:13:32,790 --> 02:13:30,719
this idea of copying pixels and copying

3475
02:13:34,149 --> 02:13:32,800
information it's a it's a basic

3476
02:13:34,950 --> 02:13:34,159
operation

3477
02:13:37,270 --> 02:13:34,960
that

3478
02:13:38,790 --> 02:13:37,280
uh can be done very fast and very

3479
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:38,800
quickly so

3480
02:13:43,430 --> 02:13:41,440
the only practical way to have these

3481
02:13:44,550 --> 02:13:43,440
different universes created on the spot

3482
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:44,560
like that

3483
02:13:47,669 --> 02:13:46,320
would be to have some type of

3484
02:13:50,790 --> 02:13:47,679
computation

3485
02:13:53,189 --> 02:13:50,800
that can do a clone very quickly and

3486
02:13:56,709 --> 02:13:53,199
that's another reason why

3487
02:13:57,990 --> 02:13:56,719
the simulation hypothesis ties into

3488
02:13:59,430 --> 02:13:58,000
quantum physics and this idea of

3489
02:14:01,030 --> 02:13:59,440
parallel universes now you know i

3490
02:14:03,990 --> 02:14:01,040
mentioned my first video game i ever

3491
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:04,000
created was tic-tac-toe game and

3492
02:14:07,430 --> 02:14:05,840
you know i played against my brother

3493
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:07,440
initially and then he got bored so then

3494
02:14:11,030 --> 02:14:09,360
i tried to create an algorithm

3495
02:14:12,870 --> 02:14:11,040
that would kind of predict

3496
02:14:14,470 --> 02:14:12,880
you know where the best place is to put

3497
02:14:17,030 --> 02:14:14,480
the action or the oh that's not very

3498
02:14:19,669 --> 02:14:17,040
hard to do with tic-tac-toe

3499
02:14:21,589 --> 02:14:19,679
but i mentioned uh claude shannon uh who

3500
02:14:24,390 --> 02:14:21,599
was a mit professor who built a chess

3501
02:14:26,709 --> 02:14:24,400
playing computer back in 1950s you know

3502
02:14:28,709 --> 02:14:26,719
he laid out the basic

3503
02:14:29,990 --> 02:14:28,719
way that even today a lot of chess

3504
02:14:31,750 --> 02:14:30,000
playing computers at least for many

3505
02:14:33,109 --> 02:14:31,760
years they worked this way and they

3506
02:14:35,270 --> 02:14:33,119
would project

3507
02:14:36,470 --> 02:14:35,280
each of the possible

3508
02:14:38,310 --> 02:14:36,480
moves

3509
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:38,320
and then they would evaluate you know

3510
02:14:41,910 --> 02:14:40,320
what the ideal situation was and then

3511
02:14:43,990 --> 02:14:41,920
they would back up

3512
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:44,000
and then go towards that ideal

3513
02:14:47,750 --> 02:14:45,840
move and so years later when i was

3514
02:14:49,830 --> 02:14:47,760
building you know more video games and

3515
02:14:52,069 --> 02:14:49,840
that that were trying to basically have

3516
02:14:55,189 --> 02:14:52,079
all these alternatives in

3517
02:14:56,950 --> 02:14:55,199
in memory and then pick the best one

3518
02:15:00,870 --> 02:14:56,960
you know it it reminded me a lot of the

3519
02:15:02,629 --> 02:15:00,880
parallel worlds theory in that these are

3520
02:15:03,990 --> 02:15:02,639
probable worlds that exist as

3521
02:15:04,950 --> 02:15:04,000
information

3522
02:15:07,910 --> 02:15:04,960
and then

3523
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:07,920
you can go down the path and actually

3524
02:15:12,069 --> 02:15:10,320
render whichever one you want but i

3525
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:12,079
think the only practical way for that to

3526
02:15:16,790 --> 02:15:14,880
happen would it for to be some type of

3527
02:15:19,109 --> 02:15:16,800
computational system some type of

3528
02:15:21,350 --> 02:15:19,119
computer system that's underlying the

3529
02:15:23,189 --> 02:15:21,360
entire mechanism and so if you did do

3530
02:15:25,350 --> 02:15:23,199
that you started at the beginning and

3531
02:15:28,149 --> 02:15:25,360
you cloned one world

3532
02:15:29,350 --> 02:15:28,159
and created a new one you started the

3533
02:15:32,390 --> 02:15:29,360
same

3534
02:15:35,109 --> 02:15:32,400
but in the end you would have totally

3535
02:15:37,189 --> 02:15:35,119
different worlds because they would have

3536
02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:37,199
the same outcomes

3537
02:15:40,950 --> 02:15:38,560
that's right and that's what chaos

3538
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:40,960
theory is all about it says

3539
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:43,840
sensitivity to initial conditions

3540
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:45,520
and if the initial conditions change

3541
02:15:49,430 --> 02:15:47,040
slightly so even though they might be

3542
02:15:51,990 --> 02:15:49,440
the same at step one okay so earlier we

3543
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:52,000
we talked about this idea of

3544
02:15:56,470 --> 02:15:55,119
pixelization and we said is the world

3545
02:15:57,910 --> 02:15:56,480
pixelated

3546
02:16:00,229 --> 02:15:57,920
uh which would make it more like a

3547
02:16:03,030 --> 02:16:00,239
computer simulation in computer

3548
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:03,040
simulations you also have this idea of

3549
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:06,960
a clock speed in all processors right

3550
02:16:12,629 --> 02:16:10,480
and so a clock speed for a computer chip

3551
02:16:13,990 --> 02:16:12,639
is the minimal amount of time that you

3552
02:16:16,229 --> 02:16:14,000
can measure

3553
02:16:17,750 --> 02:16:16,239
so you can't go underneath that so if

3554
02:16:19,189 --> 02:16:17,760
you're inside a video game that's

3555
02:16:20,790 --> 02:16:19,199
running on a processor with a clock

3556
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:20,800
speed of say one

3557
02:16:24,229 --> 02:16:23,040
uh millisecond and the numbers are

3558
02:16:26,470 --> 02:16:24,239
actually way smaller than one

3559
02:16:29,589 --> 02:16:26,480
millisecond uh but

3560
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:29,599
you cannot measure anything that happens

3561
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:30,960
at less

3562
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:33,760
than that and so in a simulation you

3563
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:34,719
have

3564
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:38,479
multiples of that clock speed so you

3565
02:16:43,910 --> 02:16:41,120
might say simulate a population of fruit

3566
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:43,920
flies every step is considered one year

3567
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:46,479
where the flute flies you know die and

3568
02:16:50,389 --> 02:16:48,719
then they reproduce and you say after 10

3569
02:16:52,629 --> 02:16:50,399
years what's the population of fruit

3570
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:52,639
flies and so this is how chaos theory

3571
02:16:57,669 --> 02:16:55,439
actually developed was that even little

3572
02:16:59,509 --> 02:16:57,679
changes somewhere on step two

3573
02:17:01,110 --> 02:16:59,519
ended up producing a vastly different

3574
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:01,120
outcome

3575
02:17:04,389 --> 02:17:02,960
you know down the road

3576
02:17:06,309 --> 02:17:04,399
and so that's exactly what could be

3577
02:17:07,830 --> 02:17:06,319
happening you know with these parallel

3578
02:17:11,110 --> 02:17:07,840
worlds is

3579
02:17:13,509 --> 02:17:11,120
that even a small change in steps two or

3580
02:17:15,830 --> 02:17:13,519
three and in quantum physics they talk

3581
02:17:18,790 --> 02:17:15,840
about you know a very large number

3582
02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:18,800
almost infinite set of possibilities and

3583
02:17:23,830 --> 02:17:21,280
and and multiverses you know that are

3584
02:17:25,509 --> 02:17:23,840
out there um kind of in you know tying

3585
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:25,519
back to to lighten up the quantum

3586
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:27,439
physics we die back to

3587
02:17:31,509 --> 02:17:29,040
you know science fiction and there's you

3588
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:31,519
know the the the cw series the flash

3589
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:33,840
right and they always go to earth 19 and

3590
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:35,599
they get characters from you know earth

3591
02:17:39,669 --> 02:17:38,000
2 right and from earth 19

3592
02:17:42,070 --> 02:17:39,679
and then you know recently there was

3593
02:17:44,950 --> 02:17:42,080
enter the spider verse but this idea has

3594
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:44,960
percolated from physics now into popular

3595
02:17:48,309 --> 02:17:46,960
culture as well

3596
02:17:49,429 --> 02:17:48,319
but you know the question of whether

3597
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:49,439
they're

3598
02:17:52,790 --> 02:17:51,439
real or computed

3599
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:52,800
is an interesting one but if they're all

3600
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:54,240
simulated then i guess it doesn't really

3601
02:17:59,589 --> 02:17:57,200
matter well what okay so now you've

3602
02:18:01,110 --> 02:17:59,599
you've written a book you've compiled

3603
02:18:02,469 --> 02:18:01,120
all of this information you've

3604
02:18:05,589 --> 02:18:02,479
researched

3605
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:05,599
um not only the science but the religion

3606
02:18:10,389 --> 02:18:08,160
side and the science fiction side

3607
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:10,399
what have you learned

3608
02:18:15,910 --> 02:18:13,519
is it possible i asked you earlier if

3609
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:15,920
you would upload yourself right and he

3610
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:18,880
said ah probably not right you're happy

3611
02:18:23,669 --> 02:18:20,719
in this world that we live in but what

3612
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:23,679
have you learned is are we living in a

3613
02:18:28,469 --> 02:18:26,800
simulation is it possible

3614
02:18:29,509 --> 02:18:28,479
yeah i think it's not only possible i

3615
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:29,519
think it's

3616
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:32,080
probable it's more likely

3617
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:34,240
that what we think of as the physical

3618
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:35,840
world

3619
02:18:38,549 --> 02:18:37,359
is actually

3620
02:18:54,389 --> 02:18:38,559
a

3621
02:18:56,309 --> 02:18:54,399
there is no

3622
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:56,319
physical object there

3623
02:19:01,509 --> 02:18:58,639
it's really a set of relationships and

3624
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:01,519
information and so if that's the case

3625
02:19:04,309 --> 02:19:03,519
that sounds so much

3626
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:04,319
like

3627
02:19:09,270 --> 02:19:06,559
the video game world that i've been in

3628
02:19:11,349 --> 02:19:09,280
and so as i research these things the

3629
02:19:12,950 --> 02:19:11,359
you know initially i it was the spark of

3630
02:19:14,070 --> 02:19:12,960
an eye it was like a little bit of an

3631
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:14,080
idea

3632
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:14,880
that

3633
02:19:19,110 --> 02:19:17,599
this could be serious but the more i

3634
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:19,120
investigated

3635
02:19:26,709 --> 02:19:23,760
the quantum side of it the more that i

3636
02:19:28,870 --> 02:19:26,719
looked at quantum computing and how uh

3637
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:28,880
it could be used to simulate the world

3638
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:31,679
i saw the parallels you know with these

3639
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:33,200
spiritual religious traditions which

3640
02:19:37,509 --> 02:19:35,120
i've also spent a lot of time studying

3641
02:19:38,549 --> 02:19:37,519
and so for me you know this is the one

3642
02:19:39,349 --> 02:19:38,559
theory

3643
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:39,359
that

3644
02:19:43,270 --> 02:19:41,280
can bring together

3645
02:19:45,270 --> 02:19:43,280
uh these different ways of looking at

3646
02:19:48,469 --> 02:19:45,280
the universe in the search for truth so

3647
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:48,479
i you know while we cannot say 100

3648
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:51,120
yes we are in a simulation i what i've

3649
02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:53,280
learned is i think it's much more likely

3650
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:55,200
that we are in some type of an

3651
02:20:00,630 --> 02:19:58,080
information-based simulated world uh

3652
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:00,640
than not uh i think the model of being

3653
02:20:04,870 --> 02:20:03,040
in a physical world just doesn't match

3654
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:04,880
you know many of the findings of of

3655
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:07,920
either quantum physics or of what we've

3656
02:20:12,469 --> 02:20:10,399
been hearing from mystics and spiritual

3657
02:20:16,070 --> 02:20:12,479
traditions it certainly

3658
02:20:19,030 --> 02:20:16,080
answers a lot of questions when you look

3659
02:20:22,710 --> 02:20:19,040
at things like not only the question of

3660
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:22,720
of ufos or or uh sp faster than speed of

3661
02:20:26,309 --> 02:20:24,319
light or

3662
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:26,319
it answers all of that because it's a

3663
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:30,319
simulation one two like uh us homo

3664
02:20:36,150 --> 02:20:33,040
sapien sapien how we just appeared here

3665
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:36,160
200 000 years ago and we don't match

3666
02:20:42,710 --> 02:20:39,200
there is no missing link there isn't we

3667
02:20:45,670 --> 02:20:42,720
just appeared well maybe we're just npcs

3668
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:45,680
in a simulation right or who built the

3669
02:20:50,150 --> 02:20:48,240
pyramids we can't figure that out well

3670
02:20:53,750 --> 02:20:50,160
if it's just something that's created in

3671
02:20:55,670 --> 02:20:53,760
a simulation right it seems to answer

3672
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:55,680
all of those puzzling questions we have

3673
02:20:59,590 --> 02:20:58,080
about ourselves

3674
02:21:01,030 --> 02:20:59,600
yeah and you know there's a chapter in

3675
02:21:02,630 --> 02:21:01,040
the book about kind of this all this

3676
02:21:04,469 --> 02:21:02,640
unexplained phenomena

3677
02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:04,479
like remote viewing

3678
02:21:08,469 --> 02:21:06,880
auto body experiences

3679
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:08,479
and ufos

3680
02:21:12,469 --> 02:21:11,200
and how if we're in a simulation if this

3681
02:21:16,150 --> 02:21:12,479
makes sense i mean if you think about

3682
02:21:17,910 --> 02:21:16,160
ufos right some of the puzzling things

3683
02:21:19,590 --> 02:21:17,920
for scientists are

3684
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:19,600
you know there's reports of them just

3685
02:21:23,190 --> 02:21:21,120
materializing

3686
02:21:25,270 --> 02:21:23,200
out of nowhere right

3687
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:25,280
and so the question is are they physical

3688
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:26,560
or are they not

3689
02:21:30,230 --> 02:21:28,560
how could they just appear and then

3690
02:21:32,150 --> 02:21:30,240
uh you know in my conversations with

3691
02:21:33,349 --> 02:21:32,160
researchers like like shock valley you

3692
02:21:35,349 --> 02:21:33,359
know he mentioned

3693
02:21:37,670 --> 02:21:35,359
that sometimes you'll have a case where

3694
02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:37,680
one person sees the ufo

3695
02:21:42,230 --> 02:21:39,840
and the other person doesn't right it's

3696
02:21:43,670 --> 02:21:42,240
almost like they're beaming subjective

3697
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,680
information

3698
02:21:46,950 --> 02:21:45,520
well turns out

3699
02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:46,960
in a video game

3700
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:48,880
you know you and i could are rendering

3701
02:21:55,349 --> 02:21:52,160
the world in our computers or in our own

3702
02:21:57,670 --> 02:21:55,359
consciousness it's very possible to beam

3703
02:22:00,070 --> 02:21:57,680
slightly different information to us so

3704
02:22:02,230 --> 02:22:00,080
that you see the room or the sky

3705
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:02,240
landscape without the ufo and i see it

3706
02:22:07,110 --> 02:22:04,640
with the ufo there like that's one of

3707
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:07,120
the only ways you could kind of explain

3708
02:22:12,870 --> 02:22:09,920
these these types of things like bigfoot

3709
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:12,880
right like bigfoot

3710
02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:14,960
right well yeah i mean you've got all

3711
02:22:17,590 --> 02:22:16,560
kinds of different i mean bigfoot now

3712
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:17,600
you're into

3713
02:22:20,950 --> 02:22:20,160
different genealogies and lineage and

3714
02:22:23,349 --> 02:22:20,960
and

3715
02:22:26,790 --> 02:22:23,359
you know where does it fit in into the

3716
02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:26,800
the the uh anthropological well you you

3717
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:28,800
really want to take it in a in a crazy

3718
02:22:32,389 --> 02:22:30,880
direction then we have a

3719
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:32,399
phenomenon like

3720
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:34,000
slenderman

3721
02:22:37,590 --> 02:22:34,880
right

3722
02:22:40,070 --> 02:22:37,600
and if we're living in a simulation that

3723
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:40,080
certainly answers a lot of questions

3724
02:22:44,870 --> 02:22:40,960
about

3725
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:44,880
slender man or ghosts or the paranormal

3726
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:47,680
or or or or ufo abductions right i mean

3727
02:22:51,429 --> 02:22:49,280
how do they

3728
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:51,439
just appear in your room

3729
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:52,800
and how do you

3730
02:22:57,670 --> 02:22:55,200
end up going through the walls

3731
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:57,680
you know into a ship if if you know we

3732
02:23:01,030 --> 02:22:59,760
look at those stories

3733
02:23:02,870 --> 02:23:01,040
and

3734
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:02,880
you know i look at it as

3735
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:06,080
you know whatever you believe

3736
02:23:10,550 --> 02:23:09,040
there should be a model that can explain

3737
02:23:12,070 --> 02:23:10,560
you know how something like that could

3738
02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:12,080
work and you know i'm an engineer by

3739
02:23:15,750 --> 02:23:13,840
background so i like to try to

3740
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:15,760
figure out how things work and you know

3741
02:23:19,429 --> 02:23:17,040
the reason

3742
02:23:21,349 --> 02:23:19,439
you know relativity is accepted today is

3743
02:23:23,750 --> 02:23:21,359
it was a better model than classical

3744
02:23:25,190 --> 02:23:23,760
physics for what was actually observed

3745
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:25,200
so i think if you look at many of these

3746
02:23:29,190 --> 02:23:27,200
areas these fringe areas

3747
02:23:30,150 --> 02:23:29,200
the simulation hypothesis is a better

3748
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:30,160
model

3749
02:23:34,469 --> 02:23:33,200
than you know what uh physicists have

3750
02:23:37,590 --> 02:23:34,479
been telling us

3751
02:23:39,110 --> 02:23:37,600
uh as a physical world and so i you know

3752
02:23:43,190 --> 02:23:39,120
it tends to fit

3753
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:43,200
useful model and therefore i think it's

3754
02:23:46,469 --> 02:23:44,640
it's a better model and i think more and

3755
02:23:49,110 --> 02:23:46,479
more people are waking up to it it's

3756
02:23:52,870 --> 02:23:49,120
still controversial right i mean to a

3757
02:23:55,429 --> 02:23:52,880
point but you're able to now uh you can

3758
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:55,439
walk around the halls of mit

3759
02:24:02,389 --> 02:23:59,120
and and have these ideas about e.t or

3760
02:24:04,550 --> 02:24:02,399
the paranormal uh riz but just wrap it

3761
02:24:06,550 --> 02:24:04,560
right into the simulation hypothesis and

3762
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,560
quantum mechanics and you're in a safe

3763
02:24:10,309 --> 02:24:09,040
zone right i mean you can actually have

3764
02:24:12,309 --> 02:24:10,319
these conversations i can actually have

3765
02:24:14,630 --> 02:24:12,319
an intelligent conversation with them

3766
02:24:17,429 --> 02:24:14,640
with people at mit assuming the

3767
02:24:18,950 --> 02:24:17,439
simulation hypothesis whereas you know

3768
02:24:20,950 --> 02:24:18,960
if we weren't assuming the simulation

3769
02:24:22,630 --> 02:24:20,960
hypothesis people there wouldn't

3770
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:22,640
necessarily take that conversation

3771
02:24:25,750 --> 02:24:24,399
seriously they take it much more

3772
02:24:29,030 --> 02:24:25,760
seriously

3773
02:24:31,670 --> 02:24:29,040
as part of a computational based model

3774
02:24:33,349 --> 02:24:31,680
of how the world works you know and i'm

3775
02:24:35,910 --> 02:24:33,359
one of the few people

3776
02:24:37,750 --> 02:24:35,920
who has experimented with and talk about

3777
02:24:39,429 --> 02:24:37,760
this stuff and we did shamanic

3778
02:24:40,550 --> 02:24:39,439
journeying at the mit media lab you know

3779
02:24:42,950 --> 02:24:40,560
last year

3780
02:24:45,910 --> 02:24:42,960
which is uh not something that normally

3781
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:45,920
goes on so but so that's why you wrote

3782
02:24:50,150 --> 02:24:48,800
the book ah

3783
02:24:51,990 --> 02:24:50,160
yeah because i mean i spend you know

3784
02:24:54,230 --> 02:24:52,000
part of my time with people in in the

3785
02:24:55,670 --> 02:24:54,240
technological world in the scientific

3786
02:24:57,750 --> 02:24:55,680
world in the video game world and part

3787
02:25:00,309 --> 02:24:57,760
of my time you know with people in

3788
02:25:02,230 --> 02:25:00,319
kind of these more these other areas and

3789
02:25:04,710 --> 02:25:02,240
so this gives me the opportunity to be

3790
02:25:06,309 --> 02:25:04,720
able to talk to all people on all sides

3791
02:25:08,469 --> 02:25:06,319
so wait a minute you did a shaman

3792
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:08,479
workshop at mit were you guys smoking

3793
02:25:12,389 --> 02:25:10,000
dmt

3794
02:25:14,950 --> 02:25:12,399
no we didn't use any pod or any drugs it

3795
02:25:16,870 --> 02:25:14,960
was just using shamanic drumming it was

3796
02:25:19,190 --> 02:25:16,880
uh it was couched during stress relief

3797
02:25:21,510 --> 02:25:19,200
for entrepreneurs

3798
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:21,520
and so it was it was one method uh you

3799
02:25:25,110 --> 02:25:23,200
know meditation now and mindfulness is

3800
02:25:27,030 --> 02:25:25,120
accepted pretty much at mit and other

3801
02:25:29,349 --> 02:25:27,040
places as well so this was yet another

3802
02:25:31,750 --> 02:25:29,359
way to try to relax people that were

3803
02:25:34,950 --> 02:25:31,760
stressed out an amazing conversation

3804
02:25:37,510 --> 02:25:34,960
tonight rizz and now the book comes out

3805
02:25:38,630 --> 02:25:37,520
uh the 31st in in

3806
02:25:55,910 --> 02:25:38,640
a

3807
02:25:58,630 --> 02:25:55,920
highly highly highly recommend the book

3808
02:26:01,429 --> 02:25:58,640
and one of the cool things uh for me

3809
02:26:04,630 --> 02:26:01,439
about the book is that you do take

3810
02:26:07,750 --> 02:26:04,640
each one of these approaches to the

3811
02:26:11,190 --> 02:26:07,760
simulation hypothesis which is uh video

3812
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:11,200
gaming uh computers science physics and

3813
02:26:16,469 --> 02:26:14,640
of course religion and mythology and you

3814
02:26:18,790 --> 02:26:16,479
take each one of those approaches and

3815
02:26:21,270 --> 02:26:18,800
you break it down comprehensively it's

3816
02:26:22,790 --> 02:26:21,280
really well done

3817
02:26:23,830 --> 02:26:22,800
thank you yeah i really wanted to

3818
02:26:26,150 --> 02:26:23,840
explore

3819
02:26:27,429 --> 02:26:26,160
each of these areas and kind of you know

3820
02:26:28,870 --> 02:26:27,439
show how

3821
02:26:31,190 --> 02:26:28,880
you know there are very few models that

3822
02:26:33,270 --> 02:26:31,200
can explain all of these things and and

3823
02:26:36,070 --> 02:26:33,280
it's one of the the few that can do that

3824
02:26:38,550 --> 02:26:36,080
and you know einstein once said science

3825
02:26:40,070 --> 02:26:38,560
without religion is lame and

3826
02:26:41,910 --> 02:26:40,080
religion without science is blind or

3827
02:26:42,710 --> 02:26:41,920
maybe it was the other way around right

3828
02:26:44,710 --> 02:26:42,720
but

3829
02:26:46,790 --> 02:26:44,720
you know it used to be okay

3830
02:26:48,630 --> 02:26:46,800
for scientists to talk about

3831
02:26:51,750 --> 02:26:48,640
religion and somehow

3832
02:26:53,910 --> 02:26:51,760
you know we in 500 years we've gone from

3833
02:26:56,150 --> 02:26:53,920
the church suppressing science to now

3834
02:26:57,750 --> 02:26:56,160
scientists in a way suppressing religion

3835
02:27:00,309 --> 02:26:57,760
or not taking it seriously and the

3836
02:27:02,309 --> 02:27:00,319
simulation hypothesis is a key that

3837
02:27:04,790 --> 02:27:02,319
unlocks the door to the mysteries of the

3838
02:27:06,710 --> 02:27:04,800
universe uh and makes it so that we can

3839
02:27:09,750 --> 02:27:06,720
talk about it you know with people at

3840
02:27:10,870 --> 02:27:09,760
mit and stanford as well as you know on

3841
02:27:26,070 --> 02:27:10,880
a

3842
02:27:28,830 --> 02:27:26,080
uh it is

3843
02:27:30,790 --> 02:27:28,840
uh very easy to get to go to zen

3844
02:27:33,270 --> 02:27:30,800
entrepreneur.com you can also click on

3845
02:27:35,110 --> 02:27:33,280
the links over at jimmychurchradio.com

3846
02:27:37,750 --> 02:27:35,120
you can pre-order the book now it is

3847
02:27:40,630 --> 02:27:37,760
called the simulation hypothesis it's

3848
02:27:42,790 --> 02:27:40,640
got illustrations broken down it's

3849
02:27:44,630 --> 02:27:42,800
really well done i highly recommend it

3850
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:44,640
this is fade to black i'm your host

3851
02:27:48,870 --> 02:27:47,040
jimmy church thank you rizwerk and i'm

3852
02:27:50,790 --> 02:27:48,880
going to open up the phone lines let's

3853
02:27:53,349 --> 02:27:50,800
go open lines what do you think are we

3854
02:27:55,810 --> 02:27:53,359
living in a simulation i'll be right

3855
02:28:05,110 --> 02:27:55,820
back

3856
02:28:10,309 --> 02:28:07,510
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3857
02:28:14,630 --> 02:28:10,319
you are listening to my boy jimmy church

3858
02:28:21,510 --> 02:28:17,190
despite popular opinion

3859
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:27,110
but listening to jimmy church will

3860
02:28:32,950 --> 02:28:31,030
hurricanes earthquakes wildfires this

3861
02:28:35,349 --> 02:28:32,960
year we've experienced more than our

3862
02:28:37,670 --> 02:28:35,359
fair share this is jimmy church of fade

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black open lines

3944
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right now

3945
02:32:40,389 --> 02:32:38,790
i want to thank 747-228-2051

3946
02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:40,399
the book is called the simulation

3947
02:32:45,830 --> 02:32:41,920
hypothesis

3948
02:32:48,150 --> 02:32:45,840
are we living in a simulation

3949
02:32:52,150 --> 02:32:48,160
pretty interesting answer uh at the end

3950
02:32:53,990 --> 02:32:52,160
of the show there were ris said very

3951
02:32:55,750 --> 02:32:54,000
highly probable

3952
02:32:57,990 --> 02:32:55,760
and he's one of the smartest people on

3953
02:32:59,270 --> 02:32:58,000
this planet let's go to the phones hi

3954
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:59,280
you're live on fade to black who's

3955
02:33:02,950 --> 02:33:00,800
calling

3956
02:33:06,070 --> 02:33:02,960
hey jimmy it's sandy from dallas how you

3957
02:33:07,910 --> 02:33:06,080
doing hi sandy from dallas how are you

3958
02:33:09,910 --> 02:33:07,920
well listen i don't get to travel that

3959
02:33:12,389 --> 02:33:09,920
much but you all give me the trip of a

3960
02:33:14,150 --> 02:33:12,399
lifetime right now it's pretty cool are

3961
02:33:17,110 --> 02:33:14,160
we living yeah i know right are we

3962
02:33:17,910 --> 02:33:17,120
living in a simulation sandy

3963
02:33:20,950 --> 02:33:17,920
um

3964
02:33:23,510 --> 02:33:20,960
if there's got to be something i i

3965
02:33:25,270 --> 02:33:23,520
i can wrap my head around me simulating

3966
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:25,280
my own life i can wrap my head around

3967
02:33:29,429 --> 02:33:26,800
that my house the reason i call is my

3968
02:33:31,670 --> 02:33:29,439
husband worked on doom 3.

3969
02:33:33,910 --> 02:33:31,680
worked in video games his whole life

3970
02:33:36,389 --> 02:33:33,920
right oh he did he worked on doom three

3971
02:33:38,790 --> 02:33:36,399
was that arena was that or was that

3972
02:33:40,469 --> 02:33:38,800
quite quake was arena what was doom

3973
02:33:42,710 --> 02:33:40,479
three called ah

3974
02:33:45,590 --> 02:33:42,720
or was it just doom three

3975
02:33:47,910 --> 02:33:45,600
i played it i just don't remember it uh

3976
02:33:52,070 --> 02:33:47,920
what the title was but so what did he do

3977
02:33:56,309 --> 02:33:54,550
sandy are you there

3978
02:33:58,309 --> 02:33:56,319
i lost sandy

3979
02:34:03,270 --> 02:33:58,319
sandy

3980
02:34:06,950 --> 02:34:03,280
i've got your number right here

3981
02:34:10,270 --> 02:34:06,960
let's uh let's keep uh the phones going

3982
02:34:14,389 --> 02:34:12,389
747-228-2051 hi you're live on fade to

3983
02:34:16,630 --> 02:34:14,399
black who's calling

3984
02:34:19,270 --> 02:34:16,640
good and generous mike in montana hi

3985
02:34:21,670 --> 02:34:19,280
mike montana how are you doing man

3986
02:34:23,429 --> 02:34:21,680
you're good uh is your guest still with

3987
02:34:25,349 --> 02:34:23,439
no he's gone

3988
02:34:26,389 --> 02:34:25,359
oh well i was gonna say he's one scary

3989
02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:26,399
dude

3990
02:34:29,830 --> 02:34:28,240
what's that i

3991
02:34:32,389 --> 02:34:29,840
it's pretty scary to do because

3992
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:32,399
everything he says is pretty much a

3993
02:34:36,630 --> 02:34:34,560
possibility at some point in time we're

3994
02:34:37,590 --> 02:34:36,640
going to be faced with

3995
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:37,600
uh

3996
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:40,160
i don't know if the reality of

3997
02:34:45,110 --> 02:34:42,240
what we're really in like a matrix

3998
02:34:48,230 --> 02:34:45,120
system or whatever but

3999
02:34:51,110 --> 02:34:48,240
it it makes a lot of sense are you are

4000
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:51,120
you are you okay with it if you know if

4001
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:53,520
it was revealed tomorrow

4002
02:34:59,270 --> 02:34:56,880
that that's it we're just npcs right

4003
02:35:02,870 --> 02:34:59,280
we're just players in a game are you

4004
02:35:06,790 --> 02:35:02,880
okay with it i mean what does it change

4005
02:35:08,710 --> 02:35:06,800
well i i have to say this i i did at one

4006
02:35:10,950 --> 02:35:08,720
point in my life when i was very young i

4007
02:35:12,469 --> 02:35:10,960
was six i drowned and i experienced

4008
02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:12,479
something i can't explain to other

4009
02:35:14,870 --> 02:35:13,600
people

4010
02:35:16,790 --> 02:35:14,880
um

4011
02:35:17,830 --> 02:35:16,800
i didn't know anything about phenomenon

4012
02:35:20,550 --> 02:35:17,840
or anything

4013
02:35:22,150 --> 02:35:20,560
and what i saw really really

4014
02:35:24,550 --> 02:35:22,160
amazed me

4015
02:35:26,150 --> 02:35:24,560
i'll just put it that way and kind of

4016
02:35:27,590 --> 02:35:26,160
kept me on the straight in there for

4017
02:35:28,950 --> 02:35:27,600
most of my life

4018
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:28,960
but uh

4019
02:35:34,070 --> 02:35:32,080
if this is a simulation

4020
02:35:36,550 --> 02:35:34,080
what if we're the volunteers we're for

4021
02:35:39,750 --> 02:35:36,560
the ones that volunteer to be here to do

4022
02:35:41,590 --> 02:35:39,760
this to experience this in some way

4023
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:41,600
and then

4024
02:35:46,790 --> 02:35:44,560
in reality we never really truly died

4025
02:35:48,710 --> 02:35:46,800
maybe we we just go on this is the

4026
02:35:50,950 --> 02:35:48,720
entertainment you know i'm gonna sign up

4027
02:35:53,349 --> 02:35:50,960
for a 50-year run or a

4028
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:53,359
70-year run on the

4029
02:35:58,150 --> 02:35:55,840
virtual reality thing and to them it's

4030
02:35:59,750 --> 02:35:58,160
you know 20 30 000 year

4031
02:36:01,830 --> 02:35:59,760
things who knows

4032
02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:01,840
maybe we are those beings

4033
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:04,640
it kind of worries me that

4034
02:36:08,870 --> 02:36:07,120
from what i've seen is maybe what i saw

4035
02:36:11,830 --> 02:36:08,880
when i drowned

4036
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:11,840
wasn't a part of that simulation and if

4037
02:36:19,830 --> 02:36:18,710
it changes everything i think about life

4038
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:19,840
yeah

4039
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:24,080
uh mike and

4040
02:36:28,550 --> 02:36:26,960
when you have somebody like riz look i

4041
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:28,560
have been

4042
02:36:31,750 --> 02:36:29,520
uh

4043
02:36:35,590 --> 02:36:31,760
studying this for a while and one of the

4044
02:36:37,190 --> 02:36:35,600
things that you can do which is a

4045
02:36:39,510 --> 02:36:37,200
really fun to do

4046
02:36:43,349 --> 02:36:39,520
is you can go

4047
02:36:46,790 --> 02:36:43,359
uh onto youtube and punch in

4048
02:36:50,750 --> 02:36:46,800
a simulation hypothesis and start to

4049
02:36:53,349 --> 02:36:50,760
look at different uh debates and

4050
02:36:55,510 --> 02:36:53,359
presentations from scientists from

4051
02:36:56,870 --> 02:36:55,520
physicists all around the world where

4052
02:36:59,349 --> 02:36:56,880
they are

4053
02:37:02,309 --> 02:36:59,359
seriously looking into this and they

4054
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:02,319
have the reasons uh why

4055
02:37:08,150 --> 02:37:06,000
it is a a real possibility so i would

4056
02:37:10,389 --> 02:37:08,160
suggest anybody listening to this show

4057
02:37:12,309 --> 02:37:10,399
right now after you know first you know

4058
02:37:14,790 --> 02:37:12,319
go and get rizz's book and mike i want

4059
02:37:17,429 --> 02:37:14,800
to thank you for the phone call is uh

4060
02:37:19,510 --> 02:37:17,439
yeah thank you and get rizz's book

4061
02:37:21,670 --> 02:37:19,520
that's the first thing in second just go

4062
02:37:23,990 --> 02:37:21,680
and start to look at

4063
02:37:25,750 --> 02:37:24,000
uh the different scientists around the

4064
02:37:27,349 --> 02:37:25,760
world that discuss this it's it's

4065
02:37:30,469 --> 02:37:27,359
amazing

4066
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:30,479
and it's it's when you when you when you

4067
02:37:33,910 --> 02:37:32,560
hear people debate this or talk about

4068
02:37:36,150 --> 02:37:33,920
this or

4069
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:36,160
or present their ideas about this inside

4070
02:37:40,469 --> 02:37:38,479
of our community that's one thing and

4071
02:37:42,630 --> 02:37:40,479
then go and see what others are

4072
02:37:45,990 --> 02:37:42,640
suggesting here it's powerful the

4073
02:37:47,270 --> 02:37:46,000
material out there is strong let's uh

4074
02:37:49,670 --> 02:37:47,280
let's go back to the phones how you're

4075
02:37:51,510 --> 02:37:49,680
live on fade to black who's calling

4076
02:37:53,190 --> 02:37:51,520
hey jimmy it's sandy sorry about that i

4077
02:37:55,910 --> 02:37:53,200
thought it was you i wanted to make sure

4078
02:37:58,309 --> 02:37:55,920
all right sandy what did he do uh for

4079
02:38:01,030 --> 02:37:58,319
the video game doom

4080
02:38:04,550 --> 02:38:01,040
doom 3. he's a he's a 3d computer

4081
02:38:06,870 --> 02:38:04,560
animator and what does he think about

4082
02:38:09,270 --> 02:38:06,880
us living in a simulation because he's

4083
02:38:12,790 --> 02:38:09,280
creating him himself

4084
02:38:13,590 --> 02:38:12,800
oh he's there yeah he definitely thinks

4085
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:13,600
that

4086
02:38:17,190 --> 02:38:15,200
there is

4087
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:17,200
some kind of

4088
02:38:20,950 --> 02:38:19,040
man behind the curtain whether it's our

4089
02:38:24,870 --> 02:38:20,960
own or something

4090
02:38:28,389 --> 02:38:24,880
but we also are very um

4091
02:38:29,670 --> 02:38:28,399
we walk with jesus and so we have that

4092
02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:29,680
also

4093
02:38:35,670 --> 02:38:32,160
what what okay okay

4094
02:38:36,630 --> 02:38:35,680
i i was actually going to go there

4095
02:38:38,550 --> 02:38:36,640
uh

4096
02:38:40,870 --> 02:38:38,560
what does this do

4097
02:38:42,790 --> 02:38:40,880
with god i mean how does god come into

4098
02:38:44,230 --> 02:38:42,800
play now well if

4099
02:38:46,950 --> 02:38:44,240
what we always say when we have

4100
02:38:48,710 --> 02:38:46,960
discussions about anything that's

4101
02:38:50,309 --> 02:38:48,720
controversial or whatever

4102
02:38:52,309 --> 02:38:50,319
debate you know

4103
02:38:54,389 --> 02:38:52,319
we always go back to no matter what

4104
02:38:56,469 --> 02:38:54,399
anyone believes there's a creator of it

4105
02:38:59,270 --> 02:38:56,479
all and we believe it's jesus

4106
02:39:00,469 --> 02:38:59,280
and that's kind of where we leave it

4107
02:39:03,190 --> 02:39:00,479
that's it

4108
02:39:05,750 --> 02:39:03,200
okay so

4109
02:39:08,630 --> 02:39:05,760
you know all the greatness and the

4110
02:39:10,630 --> 02:39:08,640
quantum physics and the genius and the

4111
02:39:13,750 --> 02:39:10,640
ideas behind it

4112
02:39:15,510 --> 02:39:13,760
it came from somewhere to begin with

4113
02:39:17,670 --> 02:39:15,520
the

4114
02:39:20,630 --> 02:39:17,680
question of faith

4115
02:39:23,429 --> 02:39:20,640
uh is a weird thing to mix

4116
02:39:25,510 --> 02:39:23,439
when you're dealing with ones and zeros

4117
02:39:26,630 --> 02:39:25,520
and writing code and creating 3d

4118
02:39:28,150 --> 02:39:26,640
environments

4119
02:39:29,030 --> 02:39:28,160
it is

4120
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:29,040
but

4121
02:39:31,750 --> 02:39:30,720
he created the people who are writing

4122
02:39:33,670 --> 02:39:31,760
the code

4123
02:39:36,070 --> 02:39:33,680
i believe

4124
02:39:38,389 --> 02:39:36,080
if okay so let's let's let's

4125
02:39:40,070 --> 02:39:38,399
make us go into a simulation and the

4126
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:40,080
reason that we don't die is one thing i

4127
02:39:44,309 --> 02:39:41,840
subscribe to is because we do have to

4128
02:39:45,510 --> 02:39:44,319
cut we do have to continue to grow and

4129
02:39:47,670 --> 02:39:45,520
learn

4130
02:39:49,429 --> 02:39:47,680
and now when you talk about the parallel

4131
02:39:51,750 --> 02:39:49,439
universes can't those be the other

4132
02:39:53,590 --> 02:39:51,760
dimensions and can they exist i believe

4133
02:39:54,790 --> 02:39:53,600
they can and i believe he created them

4134
02:39:57,190 --> 02:39:54,800
as well

4135
02:39:58,870 --> 02:39:57,200
okay so let's let's let's back up a

4136
02:40:00,309 --> 02:39:58,880
couple of steps not not in this

4137
02:40:03,750 --> 02:40:00,319
conversation

4138
02:40:04,950 --> 02:40:03,760
but in our timeline okay

4139
02:40:08,630 --> 02:40:04,960
if we

4140
02:40:10,950 --> 02:40:08,640
are dealing with uh an artificial

4141
02:40:13,270 --> 02:40:10,960
reality we're living in a simulation

4142
02:40:15,590 --> 02:40:13,280
that this is created and and we're just

4143
02:40:19,030 --> 02:40:15,600
role players right okay

4144
02:40:22,150 --> 02:40:19,040
then somebody had to write and create

4145
02:40:24,550 --> 02:40:22,160
said code and environment

4146
02:40:26,469 --> 02:40:24,560
so if we back up further than that

4147
02:40:28,870 --> 02:40:26,479
somebody has to come up with the idea

4148
02:40:31,190 --> 02:40:28,880
and present the project to all of the

4149
02:40:34,150 --> 02:40:31,200
engineers and code writers i know how

4150
02:40:36,309 --> 02:40:34,160
far back you know right is that god is

4151
02:40:39,110 --> 02:40:36,319
that who you are saying that god is and

4152
02:40:41,110 --> 02:40:39,120
that's just me i am oh you know that i

4153
02:40:42,950 --> 02:40:41,120
don't push it on anyone but that's how i

4154
02:40:45,429 --> 02:40:42,960
walk because i push it all back to him

4155
02:40:47,270 --> 02:40:45,439
no matter when i start to go oh my gosh

4156
02:40:49,429 --> 02:40:47,280
you know then i just go well you have a

4157
02:40:51,030 --> 02:40:49,439
plan if i'm stimulated then i'm

4158
02:40:52,790 --> 02:40:51,040
stimulated and you know what if i am

4159
02:40:55,349 --> 02:40:52,800
stimulated and i can wrap my head around

4160
02:40:56,950 --> 02:40:55,359
that then i'm going to try and make my

4161
02:40:59,110 --> 02:40:56,960
stimulation better

4162
02:41:01,270 --> 02:40:59,120
for myself because why would we want to

4163
02:41:03,590 --> 02:41:01,280
live in such misery we all seem to be so

4164
02:41:06,150 --> 02:41:03,600
damn miserable

4165
02:41:08,469 --> 02:41:06,160
and that's part of the simulation right

4166
02:41:09,990 --> 02:41:08,479
that's ridiculous then if that's the

4167
02:41:12,550 --> 02:41:10,000
fact and

4168
02:41:14,469 --> 02:41:12,560
that's a sad thing to be stimulating all

4169
02:41:17,190 --> 02:41:14,479
of us and all of us to have the same

4170
02:41:20,389 --> 02:41:17,200
kind of simulation

4171
02:41:23,030 --> 02:41:20,399
well okay and and goes into that one

4172
02:41:24,550 --> 02:41:23,040
thing with all the things you don't even

4173
02:41:26,150 --> 02:41:24,560
need because you just you know there's

4174
02:41:27,830 --> 02:41:26,160
so many simulations you could just have

4175
02:41:29,510 --> 02:41:27,840
that one thing with the zillions of

4176
02:41:32,630 --> 02:41:29,520
simulations

4177
02:41:33,830 --> 02:41:32,640
but if if you look at uh

4178
02:41:35,590 --> 02:41:33,840
different

4179
02:41:36,950 --> 02:41:35,600
games uh

4180
02:41:39,429 --> 02:41:36,960
that are out there like world of

4181
02:41:40,630 --> 02:41:39,439
warcraft or sims right

4182
02:41:42,630 --> 02:41:40,640
where

4183
02:41:45,510 --> 02:41:42,640
you have all of those different

4184
02:41:46,389 --> 02:41:45,520
characters some are bad some are good

4185
02:41:51,830 --> 02:41:46,399
you

4186
02:41:53,990 --> 02:41:51,840
succeed and live a wonderful life

4187
02:41:56,070 --> 02:41:54,000
sometimes you just die

4188
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:56,080
well isn't that exactly what we're

4189
02:42:00,790 --> 02:41:59,040
living with here on planet earth

4190
02:42:03,190 --> 02:42:00,800
it is

4191
02:42:06,230 --> 02:42:03,200
it's very i just think expected

4192
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:06,240
trying to make it better

4193
02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:06,960
so

4194
02:42:10,309 --> 02:42:08,640
i i finally i don't think look through

4195
02:42:11,750 --> 02:42:10,319
these simulations and we've got the bad

4196
02:42:13,830 --> 02:42:11,760
and the good and we

4197
02:42:15,270 --> 02:42:13,840
you know they're they're then it goes

4198
02:42:16,150 --> 02:42:15,280
back to theirs the people are going to

4199
02:42:17,590 --> 02:42:16,160
just

4200
02:42:18,790 --> 02:42:17,600
present that bad all the time and

4201
02:42:20,870 --> 02:42:18,800
they're the ones who can present the

4202
02:42:23,910 --> 02:42:20,880
good all the time yeah very fascinating

4203
02:42:27,030 --> 02:42:23,920
that you're you would be okay with it

4204
02:42:29,990 --> 02:42:27,040
well why do we sandy let me ask you this

4205
02:42:32,550 --> 02:42:30,000
why do we die then if it's a simulation

4206
02:42:33,429 --> 02:42:32,560
do you think we die jimmy we die in the

4207
02:42:36,309 --> 02:42:33,439
game

4208
02:42:42,469 --> 02:42:40,469
yeah see fascinating rear

4209
02:42:43,349 --> 02:42:42,479
after dinner we go and play again right

4210
02:42:45,670 --> 02:42:43,359
right

4211
02:42:47,830 --> 02:42:45,680
sandy you're smart what's your husband's

4212
02:42:48,790 --> 02:42:47,840
name

4213
02:42:50,870 --> 02:42:48,800
well

4214
02:42:52,870 --> 02:42:50,880
do you think we die jimmy

4215
02:42:56,469 --> 02:42:52,880
um

4216
02:42:58,870 --> 02:42:56,479
no i i do not i do not that would

4217
02:43:01,030 --> 02:42:58,880
certainly uh bum me out

4218
02:43:03,349 --> 02:43:01,040
i always wanted to ask you this do you

4219
02:43:05,990 --> 02:43:03,359
think that you

4220
02:43:08,550 --> 02:43:06,000
turned a corner and became somewhat

4221
02:43:10,070 --> 02:43:08,560
lighter and open-minded and maybe even a

4222
02:43:11,590 --> 02:43:10,080
little less

4223
02:43:13,590 --> 02:43:11,600
empty

4224
02:43:14,870 --> 02:43:13,600
glass when you met rita

4225
02:43:17,590 --> 02:43:14,880
well

4226
02:43:20,389 --> 02:43:17,600
when that happens in anybody's life of

4227
02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:20,399
course things change and

4228
02:43:27,270 --> 02:43:25,190
look you always

4229
02:43:28,630 --> 02:43:27,280
uh i think that anybody that is

4230
02:43:32,070 --> 02:43:28,640
successful

4231
02:43:33,750 --> 02:43:32,080
um or finds their bliss or happiness you

4232
02:43:38,309 --> 02:43:33,760
don't do that alone

4233
02:43:41,830 --> 02:43:38,319
right and so you uh you need somebody

4234
02:43:43,030 --> 02:43:41,840
uh always beside you to not only for

4235
02:43:44,469 --> 02:43:43,040
support

4236
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:44,479
but to

4237
02:43:51,110 --> 02:43:45,520
um

4238
02:43:53,030 --> 02:43:51,120
things and that creates that happiness

4239
02:43:55,830 --> 02:43:53,040
in a way where each we're each other's

4240
02:43:58,469 --> 02:43:55,840
handlers yeah i don't think uh somebody

4241
02:44:00,469 --> 02:43:58,479
that's found happiness and true bliss

4242
02:44:02,710 --> 02:44:00,479
does that alone

4243
02:44:04,870 --> 02:44:02,720
right i don't i don't think that well i

4244
02:44:06,469 --> 02:44:04,880
i guess anything is possible but you

4245
02:44:08,309 --> 02:44:06,479
know what i'm saying you're not going to

4246
02:44:12,150 --> 02:44:08,319
do that alone some of it's got to be

4247
02:44:15,349 --> 02:44:13,510
and what's your what's your better

4248
02:44:18,790 --> 02:44:15,359
half's name

4249
02:44:20,950 --> 02:44:18,800
jim jim hello his name is jim that's

4250
02:44:22,630 --> 02:44:20,960
what i'm talking about sandy enjoy the

4251
02:44:24,550 --> 02:44:22,640
rest of your night and a big shout out

4252
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:24,560
to jimmy thank you so much all right god

4253
02:44:29,429 --> 02:44:27,840
bless okay right back at you

4254
02:44:32,550 --> 02:44:29,439
so you know that

4255
02:44:34,389 --> 02:44:32,560
the philosophical side of this

4256
02:44:36,790 --> 02:44:34,399
the real question

4257
02:44:39,269 --> 02:44:36,800
is does it matter

4258
02:44:40,710 --> 02:44:39,279
what changes you still have to wake up

4259
02:44:41,990 --> 02:44:40,720
tomorrow you're still going to have to

4260
02:44:43,830 --> 02:44:42,000
do your things you're still going to

4261
02:44:46,870 --> 02:44:43,840
have to find happiness and

4262
02:44:48,790 --> 02:44:46,880
and go and and and learn and do all of

4263
02:44:52,710 --> 02:44:48,800
those things that you're obligated to as

4264
02:44:54,070 --> 02:44:52,720
a person right what does it change

4265
02:44:55,510 --> 02:44:54,080
that's the question let's go back to the

4266
02:44:57,990 --> 02:44:55,520
phones how you live on fade to black

4267
02:45:00,469 --> 02:44:58,000
who's calling

4268
02:45:03,190 --> 02:45:00,479
uh chris from channel hills hi chris

4269
02:45:04,950 --> 02:45:03,200
from channel hills how are you man

4270
02:45:07,830 --> 02:45:04,960
sorry channel hills

4271
02:45:09,910 --> 02:45:07,840
chino hills oh you know i was thinking

4272
02:45:12,950 --> 02:45:09,920
channel hills is somewhere out in the

4273
02:45:15,510 --> 02:45:12,960
channel islands made sense to me

4274
02:45:18,230 --> 02:45:15,520
it made sense to me chino hills right

4275
02:45:20,230 --> 02:45:18,240
down the road how are you

4276
02:45:22,710 --> 02:45:20,240
great great uh first time caller long

4277
02:45:24,469 --> 02:45:22,720
time listener um

4278
02:45:26,950 --> 02:45:24,479
it's kind of slightly off topic but

4279
02:45:29,429 --> 02:45:26,960
hopefully on topic any chance you guys

4280
02:45:31,429 --> 02:45:29,439
are going to get you know maybe uh tom

4281
02:45:32,710 --> 02:45:31,439
delong back on the show

4282
02:45:34,190 --> 02:45:32,720
uh

4283
02:45:37,670 --> 02:45:34,200
well i mean

4284
02:45:39,190 --> 02:45:37,680
[Laughter]

4285
02:45:44,630 --> 02:45:39,200
do you know how many times a day i get

4286
02:45:50,550 --> 02:45:48,309
it's a lot um look tom i i think tom is

4287
02:45:52,150 --> 02:45:50,560
a really cool dude and

4288
02:45:55,510 --> 02:45:52,160
uh i know

4289
02:45:59,990 --> 02:45:55,520
that uh he's a fan of the show

4290
02:46:02,070 --> 02:46:00,000
but he also knows that um and i would

4291
02:46:05,110 --> 02:46:02,080
never be you know rude or anything like

4292
02:46:08,630 --> 02:46:05,120
that to him but he knows uh

4293
02:46:11,750 --> 02:46:08,640
that i've got a long list of questions

4294
02:46:13,750 --> 02:46:11,760
that i want answered and i don't think

4295
02:46:16,870 --> 02:46:13,760
that right now

4296
02:46:18,150 --> 02:46:16,880
uh he i mean because we could come on he

4297
02:46:19,750 --> 02:46:18,160
could come on the show we could have a

4298
02:46:21,510 --> 02:46:19,760
wonderful conversation we're going to

4299
02:46:23,670 --> 02:46:21,520
talk about all things tsa and everything

4300
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:23,680
that they're working on but to get to

4301
02:46:27,830 --> 02:46:25,840
that part of the show

4302
02:46:30,710 --> 02:46:27,840
first he's got to

4303
02:46:32,630 --> 02:46:30,720
stand up and answer a list of questions

4304
02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:32,640
of which chris

4305
02:46:38,469 --> 02:46:36,000
i did email him i emailed him 10

4306
02:46:41,990 --> 02:46:38,479
questions that i i want to get to the

4307
02:46:43,910 --> 02:46:42,000
bottom of and none of them have been uh

4308
02:46:46,710 --> 02:46:43,920
addressed either

4309
02:46:48,710 --> 02:46:46,720
publicly or privately and there you go

4310
02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:48,720
so i don't think he's prepared to go and

4311
02:46:50,950 --> 02:46:50,080
and do that

4312
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:50,960
and

4313
02:46:55,190 --> 02:46:53,040
it just seems like the longer he waits

4314
02:46:56,710 --> 02:46:55,200
you know the that list is going to grow

4315
02:46:57,750 --> 02:46:56,720
double triple

4316
02:47:00,150 --> 02:46:57,760
um

4317
02:47:03,429 --> 02:47:00,160
there is my take on it yeah there that

4318
02:47:05,349 --> 02:47:03,439
that's certainly uh reality that's not a

4319
02:47:07,030 --> 02:47:05,359
possibility i think that that is a

4320
02:47:08,070 --> 02:47:07,040
reality but

4321
02:47:11,030 --> 02:47:08,080
um

4322
02:47:14,150 --> 02:47:11,040
my my list of ten questions

4323
02:47:16,389 --> 02:47:14,160
um is is actually pretty old now if i

4324
02:47:17,830 --> 02:47:16,399
went back and modified that it would

4325
02:47:18,870 --> 02:47:17,840
probably be

4326
02:47:21,349 --> 02:47:18,880
50

4327
02:47:23,910 --> 02:47:21,359
questions because a lot of stuff has

4328
02:47:26,550 --> 02:47:23,920
a lot of stuff as as has happened over

4329
02:47:28,230 --> 02:47:26,560
the last year but the the one thing that

4330
02:47:30,230 --> 02:47:28,240
i'm thankful for

4331
02:47:31,830 --> 02:47:30,240
and i know that tom listens to this show

4332
02:47:33,670 --> 02:47:31,840
the one thing that i'm thankful for is

4333
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:33,680
that he's out there pushing

4334
02:47:38,070 --> 02:47:36,640
the ufo question further further out

4335
02:47:39,030 --> 02:47:38,080
into the public

4336
02:47:42,230 --> 02:47:39,040
and

4337
02:47:46,389 --> 02:47:42,240
one of the things that i really enjoy

4338
02:47:48,790 --> 02:47:46,399
is the music community out there which

4339
02:47:51,830 --> 02:47:48,800
you know you look at say a band like

4340
02:47:55,030 --> 02:47:51,840
blink 182 or you look at you know the

4341
02:47:58,150 --> 02:47:55,040
music community that is out there or the

4342
02:47:59,910 --> 02:47:58,160
gaming community or or or

4343
02:48:03,510 --> 02:47:59,920
that um

4344
02:48:06,230 --> 02:48:03,520
the more that we discuss this we expose

4345
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:06,240
and pull them into

4346
02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:08,640
our community you know what i mean and

4347
02:48:16,070 --> 02:48:09,680
that's what

4348
02:48:18,710 --> 02:48:16,080
fully fully appreciate that you know his

4349
02:48:20,630 --> 02:48:18,720
fans have known that he's been into ufos

4350
02:48:23,030 --> 02:48:20,640
for a very long time his band members

4351
02:48:24,389 --> 02:48:23,040
talk about it and uh have talked about

4352
02:48:27,670 --> 02:48:24,399
it in the past and that's what i'm

4353
02:48:29,190 --> 02:48:27,680
appreciative of what i what i don't like

4354
02:48:31,110 --> 02:48:29,200
are the mistakes

4355
02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:31,120
you know that's that's the part that

4356
02:48:34,389 --> 02:48:33,200
that i don't appreciate and those

4357
02:48:37,510 --> 02:48:34,399
mistakes

4358
02:48:39,590 --> 02:48:37,520
uh look bad back at our community and if

4359
02:48:41,510 --> 02:48:39,600
you don't answer to those and let us

4360
02:48:43,349 --> 02:48:41,520
know why those things happen

4361
02:48:46,389 --> 02:48:43,359
then they're just gonna linger

4362
02:48:47,429 --> 02:48:46,399
it's not going to ever go away

4363
02:48:49,750 --> 02:48:47,439
that's right

4364
02:48:51,590 --> 02:48:49,760
yeah i mean greer is the actually one

4365
02:48:53,670 --> 02:48:51,600
that got me into this whole

4366
02:48:55,750 --> 02:48:53,680
i guess the universe if you will

4367
02:48:58,710 --> 02:48:55,760
and i had no idea that tom delong was

4368
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:58,720
even you know part of it and um i'm just

4369
02:49:02,309 --> 02:49:01,120
wondering is is that beef still standing

4370
02:49:03,990 --> 02:49:02,319
between the two are they kind of

4371
02:49:05,030 --> 02:49:04,000
reconciled or

4372
02:49:06,870 --> 02:49:05,040
you know

4373
02:49:11,830 --> 02:49:06,880
yeah yeah that's that's that's a

4374
02:49:14,630 --> 02:49:11,840
question for uh uh tom and and and greer

4375
02:49:16,790 --> 02:49:14,640
um and

4376
02:49:19,990 --> 02:49:16,800
okay this what you're talking about i'll

4377
02:49:24,150 --> 02:49:20,000
explain this to the audience that uh

4378
02:49:27,190 --> 02:49:24,160
uh tom reached out to uh dr greer many

4379
02:49:30,070 --> 02:49:27,200
many years ago when he started to

4380
02:49:31,110 --> 02:49:30,080
get into the research of this and our

4381
02:49:32,550 --> 02:49:31,120
community

4382
02:49:34,469 --> 02:49:32,560
and he

4383
02:49:37,269 --> 02:49:34,479
he hung out with stephen and and did

4384
02:49:40,230 --> 02:49:37,279
some ce5 research with them

4385
02:49:43,269 --> 02:49:40,240
and they they had a relationship and a

4386
02:49:45,030 --> 02:49:43,279
friendship so where that is today or how

4387
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:45,040
those two look at each other that's a

4388
02:49:49,030 --> 02:49:46,319
question

4389
02:49:50,710 --> 02:49:49,040
that needs to be you know thrown at uh

4390
02:49:53,269 --> 02:49:50,720
either one of them

4391
02:49:55,349 --> 02:49:53,279
and you know i think out of respect uh

4392
02:49:57,349 --> 02:49:55,359
the the the two of them have i don't

4393
02:49:59,110 --> 02:49:57,359
know i think that stuff will probably

4394
02:50:00,150 --> 02:49:59,120
always stay private i don't have any

4395
02:50:02,630 --> 02:50:00,160
insight

4396
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:02,640
okay so and even if i did i wouldn't i

4397
02:50:07,190 --> 02:50:04,640
wouldn't say it on this show

4398
02:50:09,269 --> 02:50:07,200
but um yeah i mean i admire both of them

4399
02:50:10,790 --> 02:50:09,279
and you know it's um i mean yeah

4400
02:50:12,950 --> 02:50:10,800
hopefully obviously they can you know

4401
02:50:15,190 --> 02:50:12,960
come to an understanding that

4402
02:50:16,630 --> 02:50:15,200
uh we're all in this together we're

4403
02:50:19,349 --> 02:50:16,640
we're fighting for i think the same

4404
02:50:21,269 --> 02:50:19,359
cause yeah you know that's supreme you

4405
02:50:24,710 --> 02:50:21,279
know disclosure to the forefront well

4406
02:50:28,230 --> 02:50:24,720
i'll say this chris um

4407
02:50:29,910 --> 02:50:28,240
and specifically talking about tom and

4408
02:50:32,790 --> 02:50:29,920
dr greer

4409
02:50:35,590 --> 02:50:32,800
those two are unique

4410
02:50:37,030 --> 02:50:35,600
right now in our ufo community and i'll

4411
02:50:40,469 --> 02:50:37,040
tell you why

4412
02:50:42,150 --> 02:50:40,479
i truly believe i really do forget about

4413
02:50:44,710 --> 02:50:42,160
the sensationalism

4414
02:50:47,269 --> 02:50:44,720
uh when it comes to dr greer and his

4415
02:50:50,469 --> 02:50:47,279
claims and flying around the world with

4416
02:50:53,429 --> 02:50:50,479
the royal families of whatever and cia

4417
02:50:56,070 --> 02:50:53,439
directors put all of that stuff aside

4418
02:50:57,750 --> 02:50:56,080
i know sure i believe

4419
02:50:58,870 --> 02:50:57,760
that stephen

4420
02:51:02,469 --> 02:50:58,880
is

4421
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:02,479
exposed and knows things that would blow

4422
02:51:06,790 --> 02:51:05,040
our minds that he doesn't talk about and

4423
02:51:08,070 --> 02:51:06,800
that he can't talk about i really

4424
02:51:09,830 --> 02:51:08,080
believe that

4425
02:51:10,710 --> 02:51:09,840
okay so i'm sure i definitely believe

4426
02:51:13,429 --> 02:51:10,720
that too

4427
02:51:15,429 --> 02:51:13,439
and it's the same thing with tom

4428
02:51:18,389 --> 02:51:15,439
i truly believe

4429
02:51:19,349 --> 02:51:18,399
right that that tom actually knows

4430
02:51:22,870 --> 02:51:19,359
things

4431
02:51:24,870 --> 02:51:22,880
i i do i do he's he's way too

4432
02:51:28,150 --> 02:51:24,880
exposed into the inner workings just

4433
02:51:30,469 --> 02:51:28,160
like dr greer is but i have the same

4434
02:51:33,750 --> 02:51:30,479
issues with the both of them

4435
02:51:35,429 --> 02:51:33,760
and that is this if you are truly in

4436
02:51:37,750 --> 02:51:35,439
possession of the knowledge and i do

4437
02:51:39,830 --> 02:51:37,760
believe that both of them are

4438
02:51:43,269 --> 02:51:39,840
then come forward

4439
02:51:45,670 --> 02:51:43,279
don't don't continue with

4440
02:51:47,590 --> 02:51:45,680
you guys can't handle the real truth we

4441
02:51:49,830 --> 02:51:47,600
need to handle it this way we're going

4442
02:51:52,150 --> 02:51:49,840
to discuss it in this fashion you know

4443
02:51:54,469 --> 02:51:52,160
we can't the too many things will get

4444
02:51:57,030 --> 02:51:54,479
upset and we'll expose this person to

4445
02:51:58,950 --> 02:51:57,040
this person or this organization and

4446
02:52:01,110 --> 02:51:58,960
this is going to happen with society you

4447
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:01,120
know what screw all that

4448
02:52:06,630 --> 02:52:04,560
screw it if you are in possession with

4449
02:52:08,389 --> 02:52:06,640
the real stuff

4450
02:52:12,950 --> 02:52:08,399
bring it

4451
02:52:15,190 --> 02:52:12,960
right

4452
02:52:17,429 --> 02:52:15,200
if i had to if i had some top secret

4453
02:52:20,230 --> 02:52:17,439
stuff i'm i'm i'm yapping

4454
02:52:22,150 --> 02:52:20,240
i'm yapping i don't know yeah i'm going

4455
02:52:23,030 --> 02:52:22,160
out

4456
02:52:25,750 --> 02:52:23,040
yeah

4457
02:52:27,269 --> 02:52:25,760
so so would i i mean um i mean career

4458
02:52:30,150 --> 02:52:27,279
tapped into something i mean i've tried

4459
02:52:31,910 --> 02:52:30,160
to see e5 protocol and it works i i

4460
02:52:33,349 --> 02:52:31,920
couldn't believe what i was seeing

4461
02:52:35,269 --> 02:52:33,359
and um

4462
02:52:36,710 --> 02:52:35,279
it's just go show you i mean obviously

4463
02:52:38,230 --> 02:52:36,720
he was

4464
02:52:40,790 --> 02:52:38,240
i don't know that the back story about

4465
02:52:41,910 --> 02:52:40,800
it he came out communicating with et and

4466
02:52:43,830 --> 02:52:41,920
they went over this protocol and

4467
02:52:45,830 --> 02:52:43,840
developed it together but who knows

4468
02:52:48,469 --> 02:52:45,840
where that came from but

4469
02:52:50,309 --> 02:52:48,479
his method works i've tried it i mean a

4470
02:52:51,670 --> 02:52:50,319
handful of times and

4471
02:52:52,630 --> 02:52:51,680
um

4472
02:52:55,830 --> 02:52:52,640
it's just

4473
02:52:58,950 --> 02:52:55,840
they really just need to bring it to the

4474
02:53:02,389 --> 02:52:58,960
forefront yeah chris this the ce5 uh

4475
02:53:06,230 --> 02:53:02,399
protocol um which i've done

4476
02:53:07,110 --> 02:53:06,240
uh with with costas mcraeus and and his

4477
02:53:08,710 --> 02:53:07,120
wife

4478
02:53:11,990 --> 02:53:08,720
the um

4479
02:53:13,830 --> 02:53:12,000
i i think this is this is my take all

4480
02:53:15,910 --> 02:53:13,840
right this is just my own personal

4481
02:53:18,070 --> 02:53:15,920
experience that there is something going

4482
02:53:19,910 --> 02:53:18,080
on with that at a consciousness level

4483
02:53:20,710 --> 02:53:19,920
there's something going on

4484
02:53:23,670 --> 02:53:20,720
uh

4485
02:53:26,469 --> 02:53:23,680
within the ether and you're letting

4486
02:53:29,510 --> 02:53:26,479
something out there know that you want

4487
02:53:31,830 --> 02:53:29,520
contact and it expo whether it's et or

4488
02:53:34,550 --> 02:53:31,840
something interdimensional it's us from

4489
02:53:36,469 --> 02:53:34,560
the future i don't know what it is but

4490
02:53:39,670 --> 02:53:36,479
certainly things appear

4491
02:53:41,510 --> 02:53:39,680
and i i i don't think you necessarily

4492
02:53:43,670 --> 02:53:41,520
need to

4493
02:53:46,870 --> 02:53:43,680
uh in fact i know you don't

4494
02:53:48,870 --> 02:53:46,880
to follow the ce5 protocols by the book

4495
02:53:49,750 --> 02:53:48,880
you know and do a ceremony

4496
02:53:52,469 --> 02:53:49,760
no

4497
02:53:55,429 --> 02:53:52,479
all you got to do is show the intent

4498
02:53:57,750 --> 02:53:55,439
because i go out there and trust me i am

4499
02:54:00,389 --> 02:53:57,760
the opposite of ce5

4500
02:54:02,790 --> 02:54:00,399
i'm loud i'm stupid you say that before

4501
02:54:03,830 --> 02:54:02,800
i i'm time to ask anybody that's done it

4502
02:54:05,349 --> 02:54:03,840
with me

4503
02:54:07,830 --> 02:54:05,359
right yeah

4504
02:54:10,309 --> 02:54:07,840
it's just about uh being happy

4505
02:54:13,110 --> 02:54:10,319
open-minded and and wanting something to

4506
02:54:15,110 --> 02:54:13,120
happen and i'm telling you man uh i've

4507
02:54:17,590 --> 02:54:15,120
been out there with a couple hundred

4508
02:54:20,230 --> 02:54:17,600
people and we've lit up the skies

4509
02:54:23,190 --> 02:54:20,240
and and i can be i could go out in my

4510
02:54:24,630 --> 02:54:23,200
backyard here in burbank and and look up

4511
02:54:27,590 --> 02:54:24,640
and see nothing

4512
02:54:30,469 --> 02:54:27,600
nothing but in the same sky

4513
02:54:32,710 --> 02:54:30,479
50 miles away and and going out it's the

4514
02:54:34,870 --> 02:54:32,720
same stars it's the same thing it's the

4515
02:54:37,110 --> 02:54:34,880
same stuff and and suddenly we're

4516
02:54:39,030 --> 02:54:37,120
lighting up the skies with craziness i

4517
02:54:41,590 --> 02:54:39,040
can't explain that but i think it's

4518
02:54:43,269 --> 02:54:41,600
about intent and just letting them know

4519
02:54:45,190 --> 02:54:43,279
that you're cool and that you that

4520
02:54:47,190 --> 02:54:45,200
you're here to have some fun

4521
02:54:49,670 --> 02:54:47,200
you know and that that's my i totally

4522
02:54:51,269 --> 02:54:49,680
agree i mean uh channel hills is i mean

4523
02:54:53,590 --> 02:54:51,279
you're probably kind of familiar with it

4524
02:54:55,910 --> 02:54:53,600
it's somewhat definitely populated and

4525
02:54:57,990 --> 02:54:55,920
i've done it in the neighborhood and you

4526
02:54:59,830 --> 02:54:58,000
know things appeared and

4527
02:55:01,910 --> 02:54:59,840
i guess you know for whatever reason

4528
02:55:03,750 --> 02:55:01,920
they felt it was okay to do so but i did

4529
02:55:05,990 --> 02:55:03,760
notice an increase in helicopter

4530
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:06,000
activity the weeks following that

4531
02:55:09,670 --> 02:55:08,399
yeah very very connection or

4532
02:55:11,429 --> 02:55:09,680
it was just kind of

4533
02:55:13,429 --> 02:55:11,439
kind of odd coincidence right there man

4534
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:13,439
i've got my night vision goggles right

4535
02:55:17,030 --> 02:55:15,359
here in the bunker i think i'm going to

4536
02:55:20,389 --> 02:55:17,040
take him home with me tonight and go

4537
02:55:22,710 --> 02:55:20,399
jump in the backyard for a few minutes

4538
02:55:24,309 --> 02:55:22,720
there you go all right chris hey man

4539
02:55:26,870 --> 02:55:24,319
first time caller man don't be a

4540
02:55:28,550 --> 02:55:26,880
stranger thank you so much

4541
02:55:30,230 --> 02:55:28,560
hey no problem jimmy and uh one more

4542
02:55:33,910 --> 02:55:30,240
thing can you take me out uh go beckley

4543
02:55:35,990 --> 02:55:33,920
teppy style go back lee tappy chris

4544
02:55:37,349 --> 02:55:36,000
yeah i'll talk to you man have a good

4545
02:55:41,110 --> 02:55:37,359
night

4546
02:55:46,870 --> 02:55:41,120
all right thanks go back lee tappy

4547
02:55:49,750 --> 02:55:46,880
go back lee tappy um uh i found my uh uh

4548
02:55:51,830 --> 02:55:49,760
uh that mate meyer uh

4549
02:55:54,389 --> 02:55:51,840
sadness i found the gobekli tepee

4550
02:55:56,469 --> 02:55:54,399
t-shirts they were uh in a drawer and

4551
02:56:00,389 --> 02:55:56,479
i've gotta start wearing those again man

4552
02:56:02,950 --> 02:56:00,399
those things are too cool yeah i've i as

4553
02:56:05,110 --> 02:56:02,960
i as i wind down here i do want to thank

4554
02:56:07,750 --> 02:56:05,120
rizz verk for an amazing conversation

4555
02:56:11,030 --> 02:56:07,760
tonight when it comes to

4556
02:56:12,790 --> 02:56:11,040
uh the simulation hypothesis i left

4557
02:56:15,510 --> 02:56:12,800
something out

4558
02:56:17,269 --> 02:56:15,520
and we didn't go there tonight and i

4559
02:56:20,550 --> 02:56:17,279
don't know why

4560
02:56:21,750 --> 02:56:20,560
uh we didn't it kept popping in and that

4561
02:56:23,510 --> 02:56:21,760
is

4562
02:56:30,230 --> 02:56:23,520
tron

4563
02:56:31,830 --> 02:56:30,240
and the remake were were pretty cool but

4564
02:56:32,950 --> 02:56:31,840
the original

4565
02:56:36,630 --> 02:56:32,960
tron

4566
02:56:38,950 --> 02:56:36,640
now what a futuristic look that was into

4567
02:56:40,469 --> 02:56:38,960
the simulation hypothesis right think

4568
02:56:43,190 --> 02:56:40,479
about that for a second

4569
02:56:44,870 --> 02:56:43,200
but the movie tron was something else

4570
02:56:47,349 --> 02:56:44,880
like the matrix

4571
02:56:49,429 --> 02:56:47,359
where i watched it over and over again i

4572
02:56:51,910 --> 02:56:49,439
had the videotape for tron

4573
02:56:55,030 --> 02:56:51,920
and i went through

4574
02:56:56,070 --> 02:56:55,040
uh a couple of months where i watched

4575
02:56:58,230 --> 02:56:56,080
that

4576
02:57:01,670 --> 02:56:58,240
nearly every single day

4577
02:57:04,710 --> 02:57:01,680
and this was in the 80s got my first vcr

4578
02:57:06,550 --> 02:57:04,720
got a copy of tron and i watched it over

4579
02:57:08,710 --> 02:57:06,560
and over again

4580
02:57:11,990 --> 02:57:08,720
and i started to ask some of those

4581
02:57:13,910 --> 02:57:12,000
fundamental questions in watching tron

4582
02:57:15,590 --> 02:57:13,920
in that

4583
02:57:17,910 --> 02:57:15,600
would i do it

4584
02:57:20,870 --> 02:57:17,920
i thought it was pretty exciting

4585
02:57:26,070 --> 02:57:20,880
right the the possibility of living like

4586
02:57:28,469 --> 02:57:26,080
that on a motherboard in a chipset

4587
02:57:30,070 --> 02:57:28,479
with other computer programs

4588
02:57:32,630 --> 02:57:30,080
right

4589
02:57:33,910 --> 02:57:32,640
and that was like the precursor for the

4590
02:57:36,070 --> 02:57:33,920
matrix

4591
02:57:37,510 --> 02:57:36,080
and the simulation hypothesis if you

4592
02:57:40,950 --> 02:57:37,520
think about it

4593
02:57:44,230 --> 02:57:40,960
and it started for me uh a path

4594
02:57:46,550 --> 02:57:44,240
uh down uh a road that i'm i'm actually

4595
02:57:48,309 --> 02:57:46,560
very comfortable with it

4596
02:57:49,269 --> 02:57:48,319
would you know the difference if you

4597
02:57:50,710 --> 02:57:49,279
were living

4598
02:57:51,750 --> 02:57:50,720
do you remember

4599
02:57:57,750 --> 02:57:51,760
uh

4600
02:57:59,590 --> 02:57:57,760
name floyd where he shows up and he's

4601
02:58:01,670 --> 02:57:59,600
looking at his hands and he's wondering

4602
02:58:03,990 --> 02:58:01,680
he's looking around

4603
02:58:06,550 --> 02:58:04,000
he was okay with it what what did it

4604
02:58:09,030 --> 02:58:06,560
change in his life right but it takes

4605
02:58:11,429 --> 02:58:09,040
out the other uh the other questions

4606
02:58:12,790 --> 02:58:11,439
those questions of disease

4607
02:58:14,870 --> 02:58:12,800
right

4608
02:58:16,070 --> 02:58:14,880
you know getting sick

4609
02:58:18,710 --> 02:58:16,080
sleep

4610
02:58:20,070 --> 02:58:18,720
and certainly mortality all of that

4611
02:58:21,830 --> 02:58:20,080
comes into play

4612
02:58:24,150 --> 02:58:21,840
what a great conversation tonight thank

4613
02:58:25,349 --> 02:58:24,160
you rizzberg the book is called the

4614
02:58:27,590 --> 02:58:25,359
simulation

4615
02:58:29,110 --> 02:58:27,600
hypothesis all you have to do is go to

4616
02:58:33,070 --> 02:58:29,120
his website

4617
02:58:34,790 --> 02:58:33,080
zen interpreter.com the links are at

4618
02:58:36,550 --> 02:58:34,800
jimmychurchradio.com just click and head

4619
02:58:39,030 --> 02:58:36,560
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4620
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4621
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4627
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4628
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4629
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4630
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4634
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4641
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4642
02:59:29,429 --> 02:59:26,560
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4643
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